Closing saved session multiplies pinned tabs in regular session
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@astro46 Install it using the Advanced Installation option, and install it as a Standalone version, then its profile will be separate and stored in the installation folder (which does not need to be in Program Files).
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@astro46 Unlikely. But one can always rename/back up a profile and then copy the necessary data files to an otherwise "incompatible" (older version) clean profile folder (bookmarks, passwords, favicons, history, sessions and tabs, etc.). This is only a pain if you use a ton of extensions, which I personally think is kind of a terrible idea to begin with.
That said, I have updated stable, snapshot, and internal tester versions over and over and have never seen the problem you complain of. Neither has anyone else among the developers and internal testers. A problem that can't be reproduced also can't be fixed.
Right now, absent better additional data, it would appear that something causing your problem is local to your system. If you refresh your profile, you may find that the problem goes away.
And again, we see that the only other user reporting the problem is doing something to their Vivaldi datasets using 3rd party software. Are you?
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@ayespy FYI, I do not have the issue the OP is speaking about. In case you are referring to me.
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@pesala said in Closing saved session multiplies pinned tabs in regular session:
@astro46 Install it using the Advanced Installation option, and install it as a Standalone version, then its profile will be separate and stored in the installation folder (which does not need to be in Program Files).
thanks, I have been installing as standalone all along. this is the only way to tell vivaldi where I want the data files located.
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@ayespy said in Closing saved session multiplies pinned tabs in regular session:
@astro46 Unlikely. But one can always rename/back up a profile and then copy the necessary data files to an otherwise "incompatible" (older version) clean profile folder (bookmarks, passwords, favicons, history, sessions and tabs, etc.). This is only a pain if you use a ton of extensions, which I personally think is kind of a terrible idea to begin with.
That said, I have updated stable, snapshot, and internal tester versions over and over and have never seen the problem you complain of. Neither has anyone else among the developers and internal testers. A problem that can't be reproduced also can't be fixed.
Right now, absent better additional data, it would appear that something causing your problem is local to your system. If you refresh your profile, you may find that the problem goes away.
And again, we see that the only other user reporting the problem is doing something to their Vivaldi datasets using 3rd party software. Are you?
I saved the necessary data (bookmarks, history, sessions, tabs, etc). Deleted the vivaldi folder on d: drive, installed ver 1.16 and restored the data. multiplying pinned tabs continue. presumably the problem isn't an extension, since I didn't re-install extensions in the new vivaldi install.
I deleted the 1.16 vivaldi standalone installation folder and installed 1.14. restored the data. Am still getting error message about profile being from newer version
I did accidentally discover something interesting. If I close the saved session from taskbar drop down box, the tabs don't multiply. If I close from the vivaldi top right corner X, tabs do multiply. Could this be why developers haven't replicated the problem?
I hope a fix can be found for this problem. currently,I either I stick with 1.14 and deal with error message on every start, or install 1.15 and have to to remember that vivaldi sessions can only be closed in a certain way. Neither is attractive.
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@astro46 I cannot understand how it is you are getting the "profile from a newer version" message. It sounds as though you restored something more than the critical data files. There must be something in there from settings, etc. as well. When you transplant data you have to absolutely ensure that you move over nothing but the actual bare bookmarks, login data, cookies, etc. files.
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@ayespy said in Closing saved session multiplies pinned tabs in regular session:
@astro46 I cannot understand how it is you are getting the "profile from a newer version" message. It sounds as though you restored something more than the critical data files. There must be something in there from settings, etc. as well. When you transplant data you have to absolutely ensure that you move over nothing but the actual bare bookmarks, login data, cookies, etc. files.
folders backed up and restored: vivaldi/user data/default/local app settings, vivaldi/user data/default/session storage, vivaldi/user data/default/sessions
and, these files: vivaldi/user data/default/bookmarks, cookies, current session, history, login data, notes, preferences, web data.I pulled the choice of these folders and files from a list at vivaldi help site.
are there some that I shouldn't be backing up/restoring?btw: about closing saved session from drop down box: I tried 1.16 again, and found (I don't remember it working like this before my previous post) that closing the saved session from drop down closes the saved session window and and already open window.
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@astro46 You should not be restoring folders at all. Not any. Only individual files from the "Default" folder. No folders from within that, only about six or seven individual files.
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@astro46 OK - I just got mine to do it. Also doing it in the snapshot version. Did I ask you to file a bug report?
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@ayespy said in Closing saved session multiplies pinned tabs in regular session:
@astro46 OK - I just got mine to do it. Also doing it in the snapshot version. Did I ask you to file a bug report?
luetage suggested in second post, above.. I did. Summary: Closing a saved session multiplies pinned tabs in regular session
Key: VB-40016
Project: Vivaldi Browsera previous post suggested that developers couldn't reproduce. perhaps that has to do with how they closed the window.
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@ayespy said in Closing saved session multiplies pinned tabs in regular session:
@astro46 You should not be restoring folders at all. Not any. Only individual files from the "Default" folder. No folders from within that, only about six or seven individual files.
i took the list of items to save from this page: https://help.vivaldi.com/article/full-reset-of-vivaldi/
mostly all files, but items "sessions", "sessions storage: " and "Local App Settings\mpognobbkildjkofajifpdfhcoklimli " only seem to be listed as folders. I don't see files with these names.I am not saving anything for extensions.
perhaps folders/files are a bit different for stand-alone?
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@astro46 Thank you. It had been closed as "unable to reproduce" by some tester. I just reopened it and confirmed it with my own notes.
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@astro46 Irrespective of what that post advises, don't restore any folders when trying to save your data from a new version into an older version. Just don't do it.
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@ayespy said in Closing saved session multiplies pinned tabs in regular session:
@astro46 Irrespective of what that post advises, don't restore any folders when trying to save your data from a new version into an older version. Just don't do it.
I find that if I don't restore the "sessions" and "sessions storage" I lose saved sessions and open tabs. this makes backups of very limited use. the only really useful item being restored is bookmarks.
perhaps this incompatibility is something that needs to be adjusted in vivaldi's structure?
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@astro46 You do lose saved sessions (how many do you have? I have exactly zero), but not current tabs. You can safely restore bookmarks, favicons, history, login data, the Top Sites file, cookies, current tabs, last tabs, last session, notes, probably preferences, origin bound certs, secure preferences (probably), visited links and web data, without triggering a compatibility problem. The thing is, there's nothing we can do about the fact that when certain features are added or re-factored, the file structure of the Default folder will have to be changed, and when that happens, it might not be reverse-compatible with earlier versions. Sometimes it is, but often not.
If you simply must restore the "Sessions," and "Session Storage" folders, there's no way I can guarantee that the data formats of these from 1.15 will work seamlessly with 1.14. IN FACT, the very bug you have the problem with may be precisely related to functional changes that mandated structural changes in those folders. Just sayin'.
So the bug is reported, perhaps it will be easy to fix, and you can move forward without changing your work habits. Be there's nothing we can do about the fact that as the browser evolves, so does its file structure.
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@astro46 I just looked over the changeglog for 1.15. Two bugs related to session loss were shown as fixed. So perhaps now they're preserving "a little too much" on session shutdown. Just a theory. And to do that, they doubtless changed something in one or more of the database-related files in the Session Storage folder.
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@ayespy said in Closing saved session multiplies pinned tabs in regular session:
@astro46 I just looked over the changeglog for 1.15. Two bugs related to session loss were shown as fixed. So perhaps now they're preserving "a little too much" on session shutdown. Just a theory. And to do that, they doubtless changed something in one or more of the database-related files in the Session Storage folder.
seems odd to me that 'close window' in drop down works differently than top right 'close xxx'
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after I restored files, but no folders, I didn't have any of the previous open or pinned tabs. I didn't check history or bookmarks, etc, but I presume that they were there. Only after restoring the 'sessions' and 'sessins storage' folders did I see the missing tabs.
I only started using sessions about 2 months ago. I find it convenient for working on different projects with their different set of open tabs. likely there are workarounds, but this seems pretty simple. Only addition that I would make to sessions is be able to save a modified current session without having to go through the naming and then deleting older similar named sessions.
hopefully we'll see a fix to the multiple tabs sooner rather than later, and I can go back to using a current version, and not see the 'profile' error message.
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For what it's worth, I've had this problem with pinned tabs duplicating themselves, too. It just happened a few minutes ago, when I was working with a saved session - and this was a session I'd saved also just a few minutes ago (iow I wasn't trying to open a session I'd saved under a different version of Vivaldi).
I wasn't doing anything with any folders - I'm not completely following that part of the thread, but I wasn't poking around in the "innards" if that's what was meant. I was just using the "save" and "open saved" tabs items in the File menu.
This wasn't the first or only time the duplicating has happened. Unfortunately when its happened I've never been able to remember my exact previous steps, to file a decent bug report. Am mentioning it here just to say it's happened to someone else, so it's possibly not a local problem (unless we both have the same local problem, I guess.)
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@Inclement Since this was reported almost a year ago, I am not really expecting a fix. In fact, I am wondering if the the whole session save feature may be deprecated. Being able to save a collection of tabs as a folder and open them as a new window is similar though less robust form of session save. Opening tabs in new window won't restore an special settings or pinned tabs.
but since fixing closing saved session doesn't look like it is happening, we are left either save tabs as a folder, or remember to close the saved session using right click>close window.
interesting that more people haven't commented on this. Maybe not many people use Sessions.