Move Add Active Tab Below the Bookmarks
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Our bookmarks folders are for our bookmarks, and for getting to our bookmarks. If you are going to force clutter into those menus, then it needs to go below the actual bookmarks, not above them.
Right now, every folder on my bookmarks bar starts with "Add Active Tab" which isn't even necessary (although at least it adds to the bottom instead of the broken drag-and-drop, which not only can't position, but adds to the top, which is never what you want). I should not have to move past the least used thing in the menu just to use the menu. We should be also able to get rid on the pointless clutter entirely.
Why isn't Add Active Tab in the bookmarks bar context menu where it belongs (which also should be available by right-clicking with the menu open, but that's a different, frustratingly omitted feature request), instead of the folder itself? It's not a bookmark. It's a meta-action.
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You're entitled to your opinion, but others will have different workflows and different needs. The position where the bookmark is added depends on the sort order. "Manually" and "Date Created" both add it to the bottom of the folder.
In my opinion, although I won't use it personally, if the Add Bookmark item is there, it should be at the top, as it is in Opera 12.
Rather than having numerous different feature requests for changing each menu, just vote for the most popular generic feature request Allow Editing of Menus
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Yes! Please! I use the folders in the bookmark bar a lot! Now i keep accidentally clicking on the first menu "Add active tab". Super super super annoying. There must be an option to remove this menu.
Don't go the Firefox route! I use Vivaldi because of its customization and because it is clutter free. Don't add things no one asked you to! ...And if you do, it's fine, as long as you prodive an option to disable it.
This menu is absolutely breaking my workflow in Vivaldi and came as a very nasty and bad surprise!
To those of you who say "Get used to it", how very rude of you! Imagine you wake up everyday and while you were sleeping, someone came into your room, changed the order of your stuff, the color of the room randomly to whatever "he/she" seemed fit... Then next day you wake up, again another change, and next day again another change...
We do not use Vivaldi to get another Firefox clone where they forcefully add things no one needs or asked for, without providing an option to remove/customize it... And then they tell the user "Deal with it".
That is not the reason I started using this browser.
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@fne Please don't shout and rant. The feature request is valid. Just vote for it, or the linked feature request if you have not already done so.
The Vivaldi developers have a basic remit to add back the features that Opera 12 users loved.
Adding the option to edit the menus (also available in Opera 12) may come later, but they added the Bookmarks Menu at the request of many users, not because they are trying to produce a Firefox clone.
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@pesala said in Move Add Active Tab Below the Bookmarks:
@fne Please don't shout and rant. The feature request is valid. Just vote for it, or the linked feature request if you have not already done so.
Sorry, I got very upset about this change out of nowhere when I woke up and my entire workflow was changed. I'll try to calm myself down.
Sure, they replicate the old Opera but they need to also respect and understand that users have a certain workflow and such big changes which directly influence the way users interact with their product should always be customizable or removable by option at the same time when such a change is introduced to the product.
In my humble opinion, any other way, "oh yes, we changed your workflow, because our own opinion, we might fix it later in future" is the FireFox "Deal with it" way no matter what their reasoning behind the altering of the workflow of their users is.
"Deal with it" mentality should end the second I enter the Vivaldi door. That is my reason using this really great browser.
Thank you.
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@tyrianmollusk For me, nothing happens at all when I click "Add Active Tab". So I'm not sure why it's there to begin with.
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I was surprised to find this addition, especially because it's not mentioned anywhere in the release notes (unless I missed it).
And I'm even more surprised that there is no option to turn it off.I hope this gets sorted out soon.
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Please add an option to disable the "Add Active Tab" menu item. It is a very inconvenient feature when using the Bookmarks bar.
In fact, the right way is to always add an option to disable a new feature when you implement it. You let the choice to the user.
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Customization will come later, but it takes a lot of work. Vote for the linked feature request.
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@pesala said in Move Add Active Tab Below the Bookmarks:
You're entitled to your opinion, but others will have different workflows and different needs.
No one adds bookmarks to their bookmarks more than they USE their bookmarks. Putting it ahead of the bookmarks and making people move over it to get to what they want in almost every menu use case is simply incorrect design.
The position where the bookmark is added depends on the sort order. "Manually" and "Date Created" both add it to the bottom of the folder.
I'm on manual sort and any time I drag a tab to a bookmark bar folder, it always adds it to the top of the folder. So what you are saying is false in addition to just being unhelpful.
Rather than having numerous different feature requests for changing each menu, just vote for the most popular generic feature request Allow Editing of Menus
Please stop using people's feature requests to lobby for things you want instead. For one, as you say menu customization is a large feature a lot of work away. Correcting their adding one thing in the wrong place is a trivial fix that doesn't need to wait on anything.
We are allowed to request both large and small features. We don't need you to act like you decide for us.
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@tyrianmollusk said
Putting it ahead of the bookmarks and making people move over it to get to what they want in almost every menu use case is simply incorrect design.
That is just your opinion. My workflow uses access keys, so I don't ever need to move the mouse to select a bookmark after opening the folder. The design is the same as Opera 12.18. It was good then, and it's good now. It optimises adding bookmarks to any chosen folder.
So what you are saying is false in addition to just being unhelpful.
It is not false (see the screenshot) The truth is always helpful, even if it's not what you want to hear.
Please stop using people's feature requests to lobby for things you want instead.
It's not a question of "instead." Allowing customisation of menus lets everyone choose their own preferred layout, and puts an end to pointless debate about what is, after all, just a personal preference to suit one's own workflow.
We are allowed to request both large and small features.
Sure, but one major feature would allow endless permutations of menu arrangements. We will be here until Doomsday if we have to debate whether each minor change to the menus is beneficial or not. As a general rule, change is disliked by users (see fne's post above).
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@pesala said in Move Add Active Tab Below the Bookmarks:
That is just your opinion. My workflow uses access keys, so I don't ever need to move the mouse to select a bookmark after opening the folder. The design is the same as Opera 12.18. It was good then, and it's good now. It optimises adding bookmarks to any chosen folder.
A user will reference bookmarks more than they will add bookmarks. Optimizing for the less-used case over the more used case is incorrect design. That's not an opinion.
It's nice that it doesn't affect you either way. Your opinion on whether to keep incorrect design is then wholly irrelevant.
We will be here until Doomsday if we have to debate whether each minor change to the menus is beneficial or not.
Then cut it out. Seriously, we can all already vote on your pet feature request, but we don't have to wait to fix trivial things just because you don't care about what people put up with in the meantime. You don't have to try to actively push down things that don't compete with custom menus.
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Couldn't agree more, and I'm surprised this request isn't higher up the list.
There's nothing I can say that hasn't already been pointed out in this thread - it is incorrect design and it is a trivial fix to just move Add Active Tab down to the bottom.
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@sunsofsagan said in Move Add Active Tab Below the Bookmarks:
it is incorrect design and it is a trivial fix to just move Add Active Tab down to the bottom.
The view that it is incorrect design is debatable, and while moving it may be trivial, it will affect the workflow of all users who expect it to be at the top.
Never say "never," to changing defaults. If they are obviously wrong then they should be changed, but it is a moot point that the current default is wrong. If the issue had nearly 100 votes I might agree with you, but it currently only has 12 after two months.
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A lot of this debate is covered here https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/24123/allow-editing-of-menus/7
And perhaps here https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/24119/configurable-toolbar -
- how often do people click on the first listed most important bookmarked website? me - several dozen times a day.
- how often do people add bookmarks? me - once a week, mostly.
so, i keep adding trash by accidentally clicking Add Active.
thinking about going back to old version of the program and never update again
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@tohdom said in Move Add Active Tab Below the Bookmarks:
thinking about going back to old version of the program and never update again
A bit extreme. Just a matter of retraining your brain. It has never been a problem for me at all to have it at the top. There are so many bookmarks important to me, that all I do is alphabetize them and therefore know exactly where they are.
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IMHO, we can tag this as In Progress, because now, we haven't this beside bookmarks at all, but now we have this is in the Context menu instead.
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@CheVe11e_191 Well I use "Add Active Tab" on bookmark folders all the time, and now with 2.4 it has disappeared! Now how can I add a current tab to a bookmark folder with 2 clicks? I don't see it in the bookmark folder right click context menu...
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@TheInformer It does seem to be broken right now. It's present in the context menu on snapshot 2.5.1504.6, but it just adds it to the top level of the bookmark bar not the folder.
