Tabs/panel (and other first impressions)



  • Please allow option to shut off panel. * edit: just found button on main screen, did not see in prefs. Please allow option to set right/left hand tabs to the same size as when they are in top/bottom. I often have literally hundreds of tabs open, and having thumbnails is just a waste of space. Opera 12 allowed right-side tabs at smallest size, and that was perfect for a browser on my 1920x1200 display. Would also be nice to be able to configure if tabs are on the side for landscape windows, and on top/bottom for portrait windows. Which could change when a window is moved/resized, and not necessarily dependent upon the monitor configuration. * edit: also, noticed that "new tab" gesture from Opera works, but "close tab" does not. :-( also noticed that pressing the "End" button in the message editor on this forum seems to cause an "abort edit" .. weird! It's taking a very long time for most pages to display. Looks like it's waiting for final layout to be completed before rendering anything. Took me several minutes after arriving at a particular page for it to come up with the "Save password for site..." prompt



  • @eblade:

    also noticed that pressing the "End" button in the message editor on this forum seems to cause an "abort edit" .. weird!

    I find that the End key takes me to the bottom (end) of the page, but only if the message edit field doesn't have focus, otherwise it takes me to the end of the line as expected.



  • Ctrl-Left in an input field on Facebook tries to change pages. Can't switch words. ugh!





  • @eblade:

    …having thumbnails is just a waste of space...

    Deselect Use Tab Tooltips under Tab Options (wording is confusing: should actually be "Use Tab Thumbnails")


  • Moderator

    The OP is requesting to remove the thumbnails when tabs are on side, not the thumbnail tooltips.

    To do so (all platforms):
    Open Vivaldi installation directory and open a folder with highest number;
    Navigate to /resources/vivaldi/style/ and open common.css;
    Add this at the end of the file:

    #tabs-container.left #tabs .tab,#tabs-container.right #tabs .tab{max-height:30px}
    


  • @An_dz:

    The OP is requesting to remove the thumbnails when tabs are on side, not the thumbnail tooltips.

    To do so (all platforms):
    Open Vivaldi installation directory and open a folder with highest number;
    Navigate to /resources/vivaldi/style/ and open common.css;
    Add this at the end of the file:

    #tabs-container.left #tabs .tab,#tabs-container.right #tabs .tab{max-height:30px}
    

    Correct – The tool tips option does correctly disable the tool tips.

    Interestingly, I just tried moving Vivaldi over to my right hand monitor, and everything that is a shade of white or gray turns pretty much super blindingly white. I do not have this problem with other apps. Very weird.

    Thanks for the tip on the tabs, I'll give that a try.

    .... *edit: Why in the HELL is Vivaldi installed to %USERDATA%\Local ?????????????????????????

    Also, I just upgraded to a 4.4ghz 8-core processor, from a 3.4ghz 4-core.. and finally Vivaldi does not seem to be much of a slug compared to other browsers. However, it is pegging my CPU at about 80%, and holding my temperatures way up. Have to close it down now. I can heat my house with Vivaldi! :-D



  • @eblade:

    Correct – The tool tips option does correctly disable the tool tips.

    Ahhh, yes. Sorry, I only discovered that myself for tabs on the side later after I posted.

    …. *edit: Why in the HELL is Vivaldi installed to %USERDATA%\Local ?????????????????????????

    I'm guessing you mean %localappdata% and are referring to your Vivaldi profile (e.g., typically C:\Users_username_\AppData\Local\Vivaldi\User Data\Default in Win7).

    If so, it is easier (IMO) to keep Vivaldi "corralled" with a standalone installation (see advanced options on the installer). And given the rapidly evolving developmental nature of Vivaldi, it is easier to just delete and start over if new version regressions are intolerable or anything goes wrong while tweaking an installation.



  • @gdveggie:

    @eblade:

    Correct – The tool tips option does correctly disable the tool tips.

    Ahhh, yes. Sorry, I only discovered that myself for tabs on the side later after I posted.

    …. *edit: Why in the HELL is Vivaldi installed to %USERDATA%\Local ?????????????????????????

    I'm guessing you mean %localappdata% and are referring to your Vivaldi profile (e.g., typically C:\Users_username_\AppData\Local\Vivaldi\User Data\Default in Win7).

    If so, it is easier (IMO) to keep Vivaldi "corralled" with a standalone installation (see advanced options on the installer). And given the rapidly evolving developmental nature of Vivaldi, it is easier to just delete and start over if new version regressions are intolerable or anything goes wrong while tweaking an installation.

    The application is installed to \users\username\appdata\local .. and that is not. ever. acceptable. Apparently the installer doesn't give much of a choice as to where to install it, either.



  • OK, uninstalled, and reinstalled, and found the choice of location under "Advanced", then selecting "Install for all users"



  • @eblade:

    The application is installed to \users\username\appdata\local .. and that is not. ever. acceptable. Apparently the installer doesn't give much of a choice as to where to install it, either.

    Sounds like you got it sorted out with the Advanced Options in the installer. Good. ;)

    But I'm just trying to be sure I understand: you're saying previously the application (vivaldi.exe) was installed to \users\username\appdata\local?

    Or are you saying your user profile was installed to \users\username\appdata\local?

    If the former, I would agree with you 100% (although that's where Google Chrome installed itself on some machines a couple years ago). If the latter (which is how I understood Vivaldi works in a standard default installation), I don't understand why you think that is so unacceptable.

    I don't recall if you mentioned what version you had installed, but I suppose it's possible that they goofed up the installation path in one (or more) of their versions. (?)



  • Apparently the default is to install for individual users, which installs to Appdata\Local. I've never actually considered what would be a good place for individual users before, because I've never actually used a multi-user Windows installation :-) But for a single-user Windows installation, putting the entire program over in AppData, just seems strange, weird, and potentially fraught with problems. On the bright side, one doesn't need to open a command window with administrator privileges to edit files in it, but on the down side… one doesn't need to open a command window with administrator privileges to edit files in it.

    There's a reason for the protection on \Program Files\ ... (also, the 64-bit ended up in \Program Files (x86)\ .. but that's because I upgraded from the default 32-bit, I guess.)

    IMO, user specific data should go to the user folder, applications should go to the applications folders. I guess since Windows doesn't really provide user-specific Program FIles folders, though, that that might be OK. It's just not OK to me :-)



  • I don't mean to be dense :P, but I'm still wanting to confirm whether the vivaldi.exe executable itself was in Appdata\Local or in Program Files in your first default single-user installation.

    You seem to be saying the whole installation, including vivaldi.exe (and the program folder for whatever version it was) resided in Appdata\Local along with the profile folder. If that was the case, I agree it should not have installed that way. (And neither should Google Chrome have done so, but it did. :pinch: ) It should be in Program Files (or in Program Files (x86) if it is the 32-bit version on 64-bit Windows).

    [BTW, I think it is always a multi-user Windows installation since WinXP. But I think you mean you just don't have any other users. So this issue of whether a program is installed for a single-user or all users is, in a sense, relevant for any program installer. But in a lot of cases, especially if no Admin privileges are needed, the only practical (and often annoying, for me) implication is whether a desktop icon will be placed on the user's Desktop or the Public/All Users Desktop.]



  • As far as I know the current pre-beta releases are installing to the local appdata directory because they're only supposed to be for testing purposes.

    I'm sure once the betas and eventually finals come round the installer will be behaving more normally so you can set it up as a default browser for all users etc.



  • Yes, the entire application, including the exe defaults to installing in AppData\Local.



  • @eblade:

    Yes, the entire application, including the exe defaults to installing in AppData\Local.

    :huh: …Agreed: Wrong, wrong, wrong :pinch:

    But thanks. Now I won't be obsessing and I'll be able to sleep tonight. :P

    (Maybe mossman is correct re the rationale, but it makes no sense to me unless perhaps Windows will only accept a traditional Program Files path for default system browsers. …That may be the case, however, as IIRC the only limitation of Olde Opera standalone installations is that they could not be set as system default browsers. I always assumed that was simply because the necessary paths were not added to the registry by the installer, but it's conceivable that Windows policy rules require a Program Files path.)



  • I really really hope we can convince them to add an option to turn off the thumbnails on the right-side tabs. I love love love love right-side tabs, and I hate hate hate thumbnails :-)


  • Moderator

    Given the heritage and aims of the browser, it seems inconceivable to me that they would not offer this option, as time goes on.



  • @eblade:

    I really really hope we can convince them to add an option to turn off the thumbnails on the right-side tabs. I love love love love right-side tabs, and I hate hate hate thumbnails :-)

    You mean you're going to insist on bringing this back full circle to your OP? :P

    …No seriously, I'm sure that option will become available.

    But I'm posting to ask if you tried An_dz's CSS tweak above to remove side thumbnails? If so, how well did it work?



  • It works great, but I've had to do it like 6 times now, between the two machines I use. :-)


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