HTML5 audio fixes – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1.15.1147.19


  • Vivaldi Team

    With today’s snapshot, many MP3 audio bugs are resolved. We fixed several serious regressions and have started the path to stabilization for 1.15.

    Click here to see the full blog post


  • Moderator

    Looks good.



  • But still no change with the 'hanging' focus on bookmarkbar and navigation buttons, and the up-popping tooltips of them.

    No, I don't regard that as 'cosmetic' It really annoys the hell out of me....



  • I see you fixed "Mouse gestures not reliable". I'm not really surprised the mouse was so unreliable : years and years of Tom & Jerry taught me to never trust a mouse.

    Mice are evil. Coccinellidaes are not.
    #NeverForget #JusticeForFeature


  • Moderator

    @der_pit If it annoys the hell out of you, that is your problem. It is just a cosmetic issue. Just scroll the mousewheel to clear it.

    There are plenty of more important issues to fix before that. For example, the known issue with slow audio on some videos mentioned in the blog.

    We continue to work on “slow audio” and other issues that some of you are affected by.



  • @der_pit: That's been bugging me for a long time now. That and the search box preserving the search terms in every tab, instead of making it exclusive to the tab I used it for.



  • @pesala said in HTML5 audio fixes – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1.15.1147.19:

    @der_pit If it annoys the hell out of you, that is your problem. It is just a cosmetic issue. Just scroll the mousewheel to clear it.

    There are plenty of more important issues to fix before that.

    Sorry to say that, but this attitude I see with almost any problem I report here. None of the stuff is important enough to be fixed. But new features are always added before bugs are fixed.
    I guess I'll definitely stop reporting anything here, and eventually switch to a different browser if such usability annoyances are regarded 'unimportant to fix'



  • Crossing my fingers 1.15 will include search engine sync and auto-resizing of speed dial thumbnails to fit :)


  • Moderator

    @der_pit What? Didn't you notice the list of regressions that were fixed in the last six days? Mouse gestures not working properly is slightly more than a cosmetic issue. Audio not working on some sites is a significant issue for some users.

    A bug showing a stray tooltip that has only been around for a month or so is trivial. You need to get a sense of proportion. There are thousands of bugs, and hundreds of feature requests (which are important to many users) that also need to be addressed some time.

    There is a small team of some 20 developers, and Vivaldi is only three years old. I lost count of the number of new users who report a bug, then check every update to see if it has been fixed yet only to complain if it has not been fixed.

    Do keep on reporting bugs, but get real. They may take months rather than weeks to fix.

    Some of the bugs I reported are still not fixed after years, but I am not complaining about it because I know the difference between a cosmetic issue and something that causes real workflow issues. Note the bug number.

    (VB-8055) Icon to Show/Hide Panel on Wrong Side if Panels are on the Right


  • Vivaldi Translator

    The snapshot installer did not succeed to quit the running app, so I have to manually Force Quit the browser again. I mention it, because it happened the same way on the previous update on Mac. Just to let you know. Thank you!



  • This Snapshot doesn't start on my Linux System. Tried to start in Terminal:

    vivaldi-snapshot
    [4766:4766:0411/182432.928318:FATAL:setuid_sandbox_host.cc(157)] The SUID sandbox helper binary was found, but is not configured correctly. Rather than run without sandboxing I'm aborting now. You need to make sure that /opt/vivaldi-snapshot/vivaldi-sandbox is owned by root and has mode 4755.
    [1] 4766 abort (core dumped) vivaldi-snapshot

    System: Host: t520 Kernel: 4.15.16-1-MANJARO x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: i3 4.15.0.1
    Distro: Manjaro Linux 17.1.7 Hakoila

    Linu74



  • @linu74 said:

    This Snapshot doesn't start on my Linux System. Tried to start in Terminal:

    vivaldi-snapshot
    [4766:4766:0411/182432.928318:FATAL:setuid_sandbox_host.cc(157)] The SUID sandbox helper binary was found, but is not configured correctly. Rather than run without sandboxing I'm aborting now. You need to make sure that /opt/vivaldi-snapshot/vivaldi-sandbox is owned by root and has mode 4755.
    [1] 4766 abort (core dumped) vivaldi-snapshot

    System: Host: t520 Kernel: 4.15.16-1-MANJARO x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: i3 4.15.0.1
    Distro: Manjaro Linux 17.1.7 Hakoila

    Linu74

    sudo chmod 4755 /opt/vivaldi-snapshot/vivaldi-sandbox



  • @keithy thanks, done, works.

    Linu74


  • Moderator

    @der_pit said in HTML5 audio fixes – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1.15.1147.19:

    if such usability annoyances are regarded 'unimportant to fix'

    Pesala is not a Vivaldi developer and as a forum moderator he tells you his own special opinion.

    The Vivaldi developers are currently fixing audio bugs, yes. But bugs reducing usability like touchpad or mouse issues are important, too.

    I can not agree to his opinion, that mouse issues are cosmetic. Workaroudn can be used but is for me a crutch and not a real solution.



  • @pesala Though I take his point, and I'm surprised that you think of all of your longstanding bugs are only cosmetic. Really?

    Sometimes there are non-cosmetic regressions that go on for an incredibly long time, and when you see countless new features arrive in that timeframe, one has to wonder. Witness the extremely painful tab stack debacle that began in v1.8 and has been with us ever since. There are several productivity ramifications of that.

    BTW, on another subject, isn't Chromium 66 overdue to make it into a snapshot? It's out next week. I assume at this point that 65 will be skipped (for release) and that we're now on an every-other-Chromium-release cadence, since it's too much to keep up with every one.


  • Moderator

    I did not say that the tooltip issue should not be fixed. I said that there are plenty of more important issues to fix before that. You of all people should know about JIRA priorities. Perhaps you can tell us what priority has been assigned to this tooltip issue?

    Disclaimer This list may be different for the Vivaldi project.

    • Blocker: — Blocks development and/or testing work, production could not run
    • Critical: — Crashes, loss of data, severe memory leak
    • Major: — Major loss of function
    • Minor: — Minor loss of function or other problem where there is an easy work-around
    • Trivial: — Cosmetic problem like mispelt words or misaligned text.

    The lack of a hand cursor over a link was fixed. That is also a cosmetic issue. Whether the pointer or a hand is shown you can still click the link.

    Click & drag to mark text fails at bottom of viewport is also a mouse issue, but it is not merely cosmetic. Although there is a workaround (using Shift+Click) that requires using the keyboard, so it's not merely a cosmetic issue. There are trivial mouse issues and more significant mouse issues. Broken mouse gestures also causes an interruption to one's workflow


  • Moderator

    @der_pit said in HTML5 audio fixes – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1.15.1147.19:

    New features are always added before bugs are fixed.

    That is not true. The developers are always working on bug fixes and new features. If there were no new features I would have left long ago. There is not a single bug that stops me using Vivaldi as my default browser, but Opera 12.18 is still my default email client.

    You also want new features that we had in Opera 12.xx as do most of us.

    Still missing some of the Opera features that made life so easy for many (12?) years, but with the current state of vivaldi I can use it and wait for them to arrive.

    That's why we are trying out Vivaldi. Email and reliable sync are much more important than stray tooltips. I suspect that we might just get sync in 1.15, but I don't expect to see email yet.



  • @yamiryuuzero said in HTML5 audio fixes – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1.15.1147.19:

    @der_pit: That's been bugging me for a long time now. That and the search box preserving the search terms in every tab, instead of making it exclusive to the tab I used it for.

    Indeed, that's another open 'cosmetic' issue affecting (my) productivity :o
    At least I'm not alone....


  • Moderator

    @rseiler said in HTML5 audio fixes – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1.15.1147.19:

    I'm surprised that you think of all of your longstanding bugs are only cosmetic.

    I did not say that. The bug that I cited is cosmetic. Many of the others that I consider worth mentioning on my review page are also cosmetic or trivial, but the slow audio on some videos is not trivial for those affected by it (not me). Reopening of the closed settings dialogue in a new window is also a bit naughty.

    Vivaldi always lags behind Chromium updates by about six weeks as each update introduces new bugs to fix.



  • deferred loading of pinned tabs broke ((

    отложенную загрузку закрепленных вкладок сломали ((


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