Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default
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@Pesala I just want right click, open link in new tab as top menu item, and that opens the link in a new background tab. Don't want to mess with middle click, gestures, etc.
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@Pesala said in Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default:
@gaelle said:
Please give us more feedback about how you expect the behavior to function. Also, why is Ctrl + click or a mouse gesture that are already available not an option for you?
Let me play advocatus diabolo:
Possible reasons are:
- No access to the keyboard.
- Mouse gestures are a PITA to perform with a trackball. (Speaking of experience here, cant use mice because RSI)
- Middle click is no option in 2 button mice or on most trackballs.
- Normal click is preferable to extra actions if it is a default behavior. If I want it as default behavior, it should not afford extra actions, that is bad design. Default behavior should always be the easiest possible option to trigger an action.
Additionally: If it can be done with an extension, it can be done with Vivaldi. It needs less than 2 kB of code + an additional setting (which needs some code too)
I wonder if somebody has made a mod for it ... (If not: Hint! Hint!)
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@Gelf said in Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default:
But for some reason Vivaldi wants to be "unique" in its behaviour.
I don't think they put the context menu in the order they did for the sake of being unique. I assume they did it this way because that is what they feel makes sense.
Obviously, not everyone feels the same way. Personally, I'd like to see 'Open link' at the top (it's the one I use the most from the context menu, since it cannot be bound to a key or mouse command) with 'Open in Background Tab' in the second position.
Hopefully the feature request to allow users to edit menus will go through, so we can all have it the way we want.
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@Gelf True. No other browser has Vivaldi's unique style of architecture, (3 layers instead of two, built with non-native elements) nor is as young/new as Vivaldi.
I predict the kind of customization you are looking for will arrive, but I personally suspect it will come at the same time that Vivaldi menus are made customizable. I have no special insight whereby I know this to be the case - it just makes sense to me.
The developers are keenly aware of users longing for this feature, and I fear browbeating them or us will not make it come faster. It will be ready when it's ready.
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@Komposten said in Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default:
I assume they did it this way because that is what they feel makes sense.
My thinking is that since this is the way it was originally designed before it was ripped off and altered by other browsers, and since this is the way it works in Opera12 (made by the developers who invented "open in new tab") and since Vivaldi was founded largely for the purpose of providing safe harbor to users who had been cast adrift when Opera12 was abandoned, they built it the way old Opera users would be comfortable.
I personally, in the couple of years I used New Opera15 et seq, never grew used to "new tab" always opening in the background. When I open in a new tab, it's because I want to go there. Now. But without losing my old tab. And it always kind of pissed me off I couldn't do this in New Opera after it switched to the Blink engine. It was one of many things that pissed me off about the change.
That said, because the change in default behavior was something I could never get comfortable with, I totally understand new Vivaldi users who find the original design of the function uncomfortable, because they have never used it. And for this reason, I think editing menus will come, and this will be part of it. But I think the "out of the box" behavior will remain the one that we old, loyal users of the original Opera expected.
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I'm still a bit bemused by users who adopt Vivaldi because it's new and different, and then are incensed that it's not just like their old browser. Head-scratcher.
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@Ayespy
It has nothing to do with their old browsers. It's just there are certain de facto standard solutions across browsers, which Vivaldi tends to ignore. Most of us don't use Vivaldi, because it's new and different. We use it, because it has much more customization options, than other browsers. -
@Nekomajin said in Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default:
It's just there are certain de facto standard solutions across browsers
In both Firefox and Opera 60 "Open Link in New Tab," is at the top of the menu, so Vivaldi is following other browsers.
What do you mean when you talk about de facto standards?
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@Nekomajin There are actually no standards for how to build a browser, de facto or otherwise.
Let's not mistake forced market dominance, habit, copycat design and failure to innovate for "standards" - else, IE6 would still be the way things "should" be done.
That said, Vivaldi is going to try to accommodate every user it can, and knows that muscle memory and habit are a factor in this (which, given their target market of former OldeOpera users, is doubtless why the "open in new tab" started out using the original, OldeOpera, function model.)
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@Ayespy
When the huge majority of the market uses a feature in a certain way, you can call it a de facto standard. This is the definition of the term de facto. It does not make it the best or unalterable solution, though.Personally, I like the way Vivaldi uses these menu options, but I can completely understand people, who don't. And this is an easy task to handle natively. (Let's not argue about this. The API documentation is clear.)
I like the innovative solutions in Vivaldi, but there are certain things it must support like other browsers, because it's the best interest of the company to make it easier for new users to switch to Vivaldi. The thing is, and this is why I don't understand your argument at all, their philosophy is about customization and choice. Why not implement both the de facto and the old Opera solution?
And don't talk to me about resources and time and developers and how many things to do, because it would not take more time to implement, than a clock on the sidebar, which works only for one day of a year.
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@Pesala
I suggest you read the title of this thread. -
yeah, this function would serve very handy in cases, where you have no classical link, but are opening windows/tabs programmatically. In my case i have the RSS reader TinytinyRSS (ttrss) which allows opening focused articles via the "o" keystroke. So no mouse needs to be involved. Actually a new tab opens and i have to switch back to the tab containing the reader each time.
If this feature could get enabled, no one needs to worry, that there are too many open tabs or something.
This behaviour would come into play just for the cases, where one wants to open links in a new tab anyway, so not in the cases of clicking every link on a page. -
@slnviv i need to reply to myself regarding this issue:
"and i have to switch back to the tab containing the reader each time" -> this was always a bit tedious because there were some slow UI switches involved. Now i recognized, that i am able to accelerate that a bit by disabling the tab cycler (had it as a list). So after going to the tab forcedly opened in foreground i can now switch back to the opener tab more fastly. -
@Pesala Shame on you, Vivaldi! You could be the best browser. But many users of you really! need! "Open in background" context menu item to be the first in the right-click menu!
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@TSRh said in Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default:
"Open in background" context menu item to be the first in the right-click menu!
I want the ability to reorder Menus.
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There is a lot of complaining in this thread about which way tabs should be opened by default....which to me seems like having an option available in the settings would be the best bet. There should be a drop down in the settings with the following options:
Right-Click New Tab Handling:
- Open Link in New Tab (Foreground) / Open Link in New Background Tab
- Open Link in New Tab (Background) / Open Link in New Foreground Tab
Right now #1 is the behavior and it can't be changed. Let the users decide!
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I really thought I found my browser with all the amazing customization. This has been way to long for a simple option to change. Please email me when this is ready, but wow just provide the option.
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what to do if you're on notebook... you don't even have a mouse... i don't get why development doesn't care about this issue.
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@urfausto said in Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default:
I don't get why development doesn't care about this issue.
That is not the right conclusion to draw. The team is small and there are always lots of things to be done. Although it has a lot of votes and is tagged as Pipeline, it is one of 2,300 feature requests, and only fifth on my list of the most voted for requests.
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@Pesala agree. what i mean is: it is not listed as possible to-do feature. i've seen dev replies in this forum concluding it will never even be discussed.