Multi-Account Containers
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@yngve Are you saying you're not going to implement "containers"??
Let's put this clear - Users have been asking for this feature since 2018 on this forum. I'm starting to suspect that the Vivaldi team just don't know how to implement this feature...
Then why don't you accept help from other developers that are willing to help?
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@ihazar I am saying that implementing the functionality and maintaining it is going to be too heavy a task for our team, we don't have the resources for it; I have already tried to do what was essentially a "minor" change in how cookie domains were handled, in order to implement what is today known as "Partitioned cookies", by the time we had passed through a few Major Chromium version update cycles, there were essentially nothing left of my patches, I would have had to start all over again. That is going to happen with an independent container implementation, too.
As for other developers, please allow me to reintroduce you to what I wrote back in January.
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@nixtrema This feature is all I need.
In my case my company uses a vpn that controls all traffic.
sO I want a workspace for work where I can't use vpn to access company's private network services and I want to have an workspace that uses a vpn or my surfshark vpn extension to be able to do whatever work or investigation or personal affairs without being monitored by my company.
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@yngve It's unfortunate that this is so difficult (I thought it would be super easy, barely an inconvenience).
Is it an idea to try to crowdfund for this particular feature? I would love to switch to Vivaldi for several reasons, but the constant logging in-and-out is a no-go. I'd happy contribute financially if that can speed things up (within what a normal person can contribute, naturally, so many would have to pitch in).
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@janterjea You and others may wish to read the article "The reality of long-term software maintenance from the maintainer's perspective"
It will answer the question of "Why won't this open source project accept my 10,000 lines of code patch? I've done all the hard work!".
A couple of quotes:
I would estimate that writing the initial code for a feature is about 25% of the total work involved for that feature. The rest is maintenance
browsers [...] In those cases I wouldn't be surprised if the ratio is more like 10%, or even less
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Reminder for everyone to go VOTE on this feature request in the Chromium Project repo. The more traffic they see there, the more probable they might work on it.
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@yngve I think you might be missing the UX aspect here. Arc browser didn’t solve this by replacing profiles with something else — they made it seamless for the user. Behind the scenes, creating a new Arc Space actually creates a separate profile, but the user doesn’t have to go through the entire onboarding experience again.
For example, when I create a new profile in Vivaldi for work (using the same Vivaldi account), I have to complete the entire onboarding process again in a new window and re-sign into my Vivaldi account. Also, the switch between profiles isn’t happening in the same window — it always opens a separate one.
Why do I have to go through the full onboarding again just to create a new profile? Is there a technical reason why the existing account data can't be reused? Even if there is, I assume there are ways to minimize the switching friction and reduce the number of clicks required when creating a new profile.
- Just to clarify, I don’t have experience in this specific domain, but I have been a system architect and software engineer for over 10 years. This isn't a complaint — it's genuine feedback and a UX-focused question, because I do believe profiles are actually a good solution and the main issue can be solved from the UX side with different user flow for creating profiles.*
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@LonM I would think this type of solution (profiles) would be acceptable to most users when implemented in a similar way as Arc, where profiles can be tied to workspaces. I work for multiple clients with a workspace for each, and just need a way to separate browsing data between them. What I don’t want is having to run multiple profile windows of Vivaldi with multiple instances in my dock.
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@bsakowski How do you sync data between devices? as the current sync functionality is merging all profiles data together and in order to get true separation for sync you need to create a separate account for each profile which is a big NO.
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@TheGoldenAxeSurfer It's been quite a while since I used Arc or tried syncing multiple profiles with Vivaldi. Arc doesn't handle multiple profiles sync but will sync all your workspaces (link). IIRC, in Vivaldi I had to create separate accounts for each profile, which as you indicated was not ideal. I'm still using Vivaldi for personal browsing with a single profile, but for work where it matters, I've mostly moved on to Zen with containers per workspace (however the sync story there is not very good...luckily I'm only concerned with my single work machine).
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This feature is asked for about all Chromium projects since many years. It is the main reason why, today, I still use Firefox as my main browser at work.
We use most of all Microsoft services (Sharepoint, OneDrive, mails and soon Business Central, etc). For IT support, I often has to connect to different accounts and Multi-Account Containers extension is an absolute must for me. And all the containers are synched with the Mozilla account, so I can have them on all my computers (work, personal, Windows, Linux...).
You have SessionBox for Chromium browser that do something similar to the Multi-Account containers. It was a free product, then became a paid thing. If you are willing to pay...
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https://eatbiscuit.com/ already solved this problem in Chrome. I don't want to under estimate the work involved but now a days this use case is pretty common. Definitely this needs to be in Vivaldi in my opinion.
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Sadly the only thing im missing from Librewolf. It was so nice to just select "work"", "personal" or whatever and just have all cookies seperated
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This would mean that you could open multiple accounts from the same webpage in the same browser. Currently it's already possible to open multiple accounts in Yahoo Mail and Gmail. But it's not possible to open multiple accounts in Yahoo Finance (Portfolio).
And actually, the main reason why I would want such a feature, is because when you login into your Google Account, you are also automatically logged into Google Maps, YouTube, Gmail and Google Search, I would rather not have this. With a container feature I would be able to login into for example YouTube and Google Maps, but not into Google Search, which would run in its own container. Good idea or not?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/
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@RasheedHolland
Hi, we have this request since 2018 with many votes, I guess this will never happen.
There are Chrome extensions do the same but only payed ones.https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/25289/multi-account-containers
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@mib2berlin said in Give option to open websites in ''containers'':
@RasheedHolland
Hi, we have this request since 2018 with many votes, I guess this will never happen.
There are Chrome extensions do the same but only payed ones.https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/25289/multi-account-containers
OK I see, I probably should have used the search function. I wonder if the developers perhaps assumed that containers were the same as workspaces. Can you give me the names of the container extensions, and are they trustworthy?
Like I said, the reason why I need this because I don't want to be logged into Google Search, but I do prefer being logged into Google Maps, because only then it remembers to stay in 3D mode. It's ridiculous that Google Account works like this.
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@RasheedHolland said in Give option to open websites in ''containers'':
It's ridiculous that Google Account works like this
Yes. But that is what Google needs for data-mining and wants to force users to their services user.
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@DoctorG said in Give option to open websites in ''containers'':
Yes. But that is what Google needs for data-mining and wants to force users to their services user.
Yes of course, Google wants to track you as much as possible.
What annoys me is that when you're logged into Google Search, you will now see a grey color when your mouse hovers over the search results, it's so stupid. I'm thinking about switching to another search engine, but they all are too slow to present search results, and I don't like their interface, it annoys me.
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@mib2berlin said in Give option to open websites in ''containers'':
@RasheedHolland
Hi, we have this request since 2018 with many votes, I guess this will never happen.
There are Chrome extensions do the same but only payed ones.https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/25289/multi-account-containers
I was reading this topic, and a Vivaldi developer already explained that this is probably too difficult to implement for Vivaldi's small developer team. But then I ask myself, how come there are extensions that can provide this feature? Although the only one I found was SessionBox, which is not freeware.
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/sessionbox-one-multi-logi/gmechnknnhcmhlciielglhgodjlcbien
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@RasheedHolland said in Multi-Account Containers:
But then I ask myself, how come there are extensions that can provide this feature?
You are comparing a browser development project with what are probably small groups of single-project developers (and who are probably using tricks available to extensions). There is no way to compare what they are able to do (aka apples vs oranges).
BTW, one of my colleagues had a quick look at one of the extensions (I think it was the one you mention), and he had questions about how good the actual security of that one would be. (And he also had questions about if/how they were able to isolated other aspects of local storage available to websites; my guess is that a website could keep track of multiple account usage with persistent super cookies stored in the Local Storage; the only way to avoid that is really multiple full scale profiles, not pseudo profiles).
