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    • Priest72
      Priest72 @Kevan last edited by

      @kevan were you using ublock origin in firefox also?

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        Kevan @Priest72 last edited by

        @priest72 No, nor containers. I've been running it au naturel to see what they mean when they claim that it blocks third party cookies and social tracking. Well, whatever it means, it still lets FB follow me around and watch what I do 😠

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        • Priest72
          Priest72 @Kevan last edited by

          @kevan Tracking protection in firefox needs to be configured via the settings..I use the strict configuration.

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            number28 last edited by

            The fact that this thread has been open for YEARS is disappointing.

            I'm sure that statement might give off some strong "entitled millennial" vibes, but come on devs... This thread has been open since 2018. Throw us a bone and provide some kind of official statement here.

            Yes, I think Vivaldi's audience appreciates all of the awesome, feature rich, out of the box ideas that Vivaldi has been implementing within that time-span... but containers are a vital feature and testament to the browser's practical functionality. It is the missing substance that would pair well with Vivaldi's style.

            We don't need to juggle browsers all day... and for many of us, it's the only reason we don't use Vivaldi for work.

            Again, I love the stuff that Vivaldi has kicked out, but containers are the big boy toys that are needed in today's environment more than ever.. Especially for those of us who want to use it for work.

            • Can we get an official response and stance from Vivaldi?
            • Is this on the development road map?
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            • Pesala
              Pesala - Ambassador - @number28 last edited by

              @number28 With 4,500 feature requests, and a small team, those needed by few users or difficult to implement may have to wait for a long time. Wherever you see that a feature is tagged as In Progress, it may get done this year rather than next.

              This is one of the top requests, but votes are not the main factor in deciding what gets fixed first.

              Decision-making Process
              Please watch JΓ³n’s Response to my Question on this topic.

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                browseruser @Kevan last edited by

                @kevan said in Multi-Account Containers:

                Containers seem to be unnecessary.

                How can I be logged in to two different twitter (or any arbitrary website) accounts on different tabs at the same time? Does vivaldi have a feature for this? If so then maybe containers are unnecessary, otherwise they are.

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                • Pesala
                  Pesala - Ambassador - @browseruser last edited by

                  @browseruser What you can do is open a new private window to log in with a different account.

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                  • iAN CooG
                    iAN CooG last edited by iAN CooG

                    I don't seem to understand what is the problem, it's not possible for you to use different user profiles? Each user profile will have different history, saved passwords and cookies so you can have one window to open a site with one user/pass, another window opening the same site with another user/pass.

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                      browseruser @iAN CooG last edited by

                      @ian-coog Can you do this with tabs? I don't want multiple windows open

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                      • iAN CooG
                        iAN CooG @browseruser last edited by iAN CooG

                        @browseruser I fear it's not possible to have multiple profiles on the same window. But really, if you have to do 2 different things with 2 different users, better you try it and live with it, you can't have everything in life.

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                          irongamer last edited by

                          Looking at replies talking about window based profiles must have a different workflow, have not been exposed to tabbed based containers for very long, or don't use the web much in a way that requires many accounts.

                          If you are managing multiple projects across different institutions in something like Trello, tabbed containers are much cleaner than having 3,4, or 5 windows open. Forcing specific sites to different tab containers is also useful for a cleaner experience. My setup has 3 monitors and it is easier to manage everything in tabs vs browser windows. I get my use case is likely in the minority but still hoping to see this feature for vivaldi one day.

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                          • kantoku
                            kantoku last edited by

                            While I'd love to have this, to me it seems Multi-Account Containers may be a huge feature to implement in Vivaldi by Vivaldi developers alone and may need Google to set the foundations for it in the Chromium source code. Right now it's a killer feature of Firefox, and rightly so. I use Firefox for the accounts I wish to use with MAC and Vivaldi for everything else.

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                            • zinetx
                              zinetx @VENIX last edited by

                              https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/sessionbox-multi-login-to/megbklhjamjbcafknkgmokldgolkdfig
                              SessionBox addon does that.

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                              • dmg
                                dmg @Pesala last edited by dmg

                                @pesala
                                Hi Pesala, I don't think that is what he had in mind about 2 twitter accounts in seperate tabs.

                                I think there is a misunderstanding about what, it is, the containers do, that people like so much.

                                People want to browse normally in different accounts in different tabs in the same window.

                                Something like what this browser does and advertises..
                                https://ghostbrowser.com

                                • I have two Notion accounts I want them side by side in same window, using the power of Vivaldi to tile or stack. I can drag and drop between or from the side panel.
                                • Likewise with 2 or 3 email accounts. ( work, personal and family)
                                • Or webapps ( think Trello, Asana, Clickup, Slack....)
                                • Social media managers could stay logged into all the accounts they are managing that day.
                                • In Infinity ( trello clone) I have a personal and a work account and with Vivaldi I have to use a separate vivaldi install to access both.

                                If I use the private tab I lose all my extensions, my whole setup and all the functionality of Vivaldi I mention above to mix and match tabs, using extensions and tiling, stacking.... etc....

                                Likewise, different profiles take time to set up and are not flexible. Profiles are really for different users that need a different setup (look or feel)
                                If I get a new client today to manage their accounts, I don't want to set up a profile that I might never use again once complete. I just want to login and get down to work using my profile that I have spent time setting up for my needs.

                                For ease of work, I don't want the disconnect that happens to my workflow and productivity from switching profiles, browsers, or to private windows with different setups bookmarks, etc. The beauty of Vivaldi is I can set it up best for my productivity needs and I waste time if I leave that optimum environment.

                                Private Tabs are for privacy and have a different place But this is not what people are seeking.

                                You might as well just use a separate browser, because it's NOT the Privacy people are looking for!
                                (apart from keeping accounts private and unseen from each other. under the hood, like ghost browsers cookie jars concept.).

                                It's the Multi-Tasking with Multiple apps and Multiple logins using the FULL power of Vivaldi, that people are looking for.

                                Functionality that will drastically speed up people's workflow, whose desktop is the web browser.

                                Functionality that Vivaldi desperately needs and why this is the most voted for request, In my opinion.

                                I could never leave Vivaldi for Ghost browser or firefox as I would leave too many great features.
                                But this is a feature we really need in today's internet and I hope Vivaldi adds it because Vivaldi is the best.

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                                • Pesala
                                  Pesala - Ambassador - @dmg last edited by Pesala

                                  @dmg browseruser asked what he can do. Must he wait for this feature request to be implemented before he can open two Twitter accounts at once? Right above his post I explained why we might have to wait some time for this to be implemented.

                                  This is one of the feature requests from the beginning of this new feature request forum, and is second in the list of the most popular feature requests.

                                  Currently, it is tagged as Nice to Have, so the developers are not currently working on it, nor is it in the Pipeline of things to do.

                                  Workarounds are all that we can offer at the moment for those who cannot wait months or years to do what they want.

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                                  • sophisticatedCat
                                    sophisticatedCat @Pesala last edited by sophisticatedCat

                                    @pesala said in Multi-Account Containers:

                                    @dmg browseruser asked what he can do. Must he wait for this feature request to be implemented before he can open two Twitter accounts at once?

                                    Well they can also just open Firefox. I do it for for the rare cases where I have to do something in one of my 3 google accounts (work, private, pseudonymous) that is not the currently logged in one because it's faster to do than either

                                    1. logging out of the currently-signed in account in Vivaldi, logging into the other one and then back again
                                      or
                                    2. use one of the many workarounds mentioned here, all of which involve me opening a second browser window* and in some cases even still having to login into the other account. If I've got to clutter my workspace with another window it might as well be a Firefox one where I've got this stuff already set up.

                                    The last remark is another point in favor of Containers. It takes me like 5 minutes to setup my container workflow in Firefox on a new machine. Press and hold New Tab -> Manage Containers -> Add one for each account. -> Open tabs in the respective containers and login to the relevant accounts, making sure I specify "keep me logged in".

                                    Tada, I now have a solution to use any website with the account I want already logged in and it takes literally only two additional clicks when opening a new tab to specify the account (right click on link -> hover over context menu "open in container" -> click container in list), and those tabs integrate seamlessly with all the other tabs.
                                    If one combines it with pinned tabs you can have your browser open multiple google-calendar/twitter/gmail/whatever tabs on startup all of which are logged into different accounts. Very handy. It's not ideal that someone who wants to separate their work life, their real-life-but-private persona and their pseudonymous persona needs to create different accounts to do that, but I think it's good practice and containers are the browser-solution to deal with that, I'm not sure it can get any less painless. It really is a killer-feature for Firefox, by which I mean for me it's the last reason to open up Firefox from time to time as described above.

                                    (This last bit is more for the people who confuse containers with being about privacy or something else besides workflow. This thread has been 7 pages being mostly dominated by people who don't know what containers are about. I don't know if they have any privacy benefits beyond encouraging people to have multiple accounts per service (which they do by making working with multiple accounts seamless))

                                    Currently, it is tagged as Nice to Have, so the developers are not currently working on it, nor is it in the Pipeline of things to do.

                                    Workarounds are all that we can offer at the moment for those who cannot wait months or years to do what they want.

                                    That's actually fine, but it is a bit tiring to read statements pretending that 1. any of the workarounds are close enough to the real thing to be acceptable or 2. that this isn't a killer feature by Firefox worth emulating. I don't think there's anything else in Firefox these days that justifies keeping it around as a user (well now that I think about it maybe Tree Style Tabs does things that Vivaldi's native tabs don't...). Goddamnit I would just like a browser that has or allows adding top-notch functionality and isn't suspect to changes by the monkeys over at Mozilla who make such inane decisions like getting rid of compact mode and shit.

                                    Right above his post I explained why we might have to wait some time for this to be implemented.

                                    I mean that boiled down to "We don't wanna! (invest the manpower because we don't think it's worth it)" Which I guess is actually fine too. You work on what you want to work on. But then I don't think you have a reasonable claim to say that you're a browser that pursues to be about what users want.

                                    * for completeness's sake, SessionBox does not require this afaict. Instead it requires signing up an account with them and supposedly sharing infos about my online accounts and browsing behavior with them which is like orders of magnitude worse.

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                                    • Pesala
                                      Pesala - Ambassador - @sophisticatedCat last edited by Pesala

                                      @sophisticatedcat You need to understand that the Ambassadors and Moderators are just volunteers, and we do not work for Vivaldi. We do not get to decide what gets top priority, and your top priority is going to be different to mine, and that of the developers.

                                      The developers seldom respond here. If it is anyone from the Vivaldi Team, it is more often than not a Community Manager. The developers are active in the Snapshot and Stable release threads.

                                      If you look at the Feature Requests Index Thread 386 topics are tagged as done. Including those for Mobile, Email, etc., over 4,800 feature requests remain, and 38 of those have 75 or more votes. Most have zero or very few votes. I think the Vivaldi Team can claim to pursue what most users want.

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                                      • becm
                                        becm @sophisticatedCat last edited by

                                        @sophisticatedcat nobody is arguing that Containers are a useful and desired feature for Vivaldi.

                                        Site isolation and other core features are simply restricted to how much the Chromium base can be coerced to behave like a sensible web browser.

                                        The current work by Google for better 3rd party isolation (cookies, caches) may actually cover large parts of the required changes to browser session management (multiple instances).
                                        But I doubt the API for contextual identities will slip in along the way (happy to be disproved).

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                                          PartiesByV last edited by

                                          Just starting with Vivaldi and am really enjoying it. However, I am missing multi-account containers quite a bit. In addition to preventing me from being tracked as much, they boost my efficiency.

                                          I have a Google Workspace account and two paid-by-inspecting-my-data accounts. Most things need to be opened in the Workspace account. However, Google photos and Google voice were already set up with the other accounts. Multi-account containers lets me set a domain (ex: mail.google.com vs photos.google.com) to open whichever profile I set instead of having to switch accounts each time.

                                          Thanks

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                                          • glassich
                                            glassich @Pesala last edited by

                                            @pesala Except the profile manager requires you to open a new window. Multi account containers just opens your separate accounts in new tabs. Much better.

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