Multi-Account Containers

Ayespy

@ingolftopf One never knows.

fahad44

@Ayespy Isn't it blink?

Ayespy

@fahad44 No. It's largely the assembled components of the Chromium browser. These include both the Blink rendering engine and the Chrome V8 Javascript engine, as well as the actual Chromium browser engine, which interprets the output of the Blink rendering engine for the UI. The UI of Chromium is not used, but rather the Vivaldi UI, which is a layer written specifically by and for Vivaldi. Vivaldi also uses the Chromium networking component and the Chromium data persistence component. Vivaldi patches some of these elements pretty heavily and maintains and updates the patches with every new version of Chromium, to create Vivaldi's unique browser, but all of the main structural components (except the UI) are inherited directly from Chromium.

valio4ek

Looks like the same features have Arc browser.
The main idea that you can have N spases with different coocie/chace and use one browser for different spaces
So I can be on the save page but with different cookies/cache

What prevents you from doing the same thing or at least similar in the Vivaldi browser?

Ayespy

@valio4ek This is ARC browser re-factoring windows to present them as tabs. So what looks like one window with tabs is actually multiple windows. This takes the same amount of resources as just running multiple windows separately, but it can be done.

I don't know what it would cost to maintain relevant patches with each Chromium update, but I do know ARC browser has massive outside funding and double the number of developers Vivaldi does.

Obviously, Vivaldi could do the same, but it would mean substantially altering the architecture of the browser, which would involve months of work and abandoning, in the interim, several kinds of progress already planned. So you would have to convince Vivaldi that multi-account containers is essentially more important than anything else, and everything should be put on hold to pursue this one feature.

lucasveloso7

Hey, just passing by to say that I'm another one looking for this feature. Recently I've been using Arc and Zen Browser, but honestly, Vivaldi is the one that I fall in love everytime I open it, but there's this one thing that always keeps me from using it: Multiple profiles in one single window (in a more "discreet" way). I mean, at work, people might use my computer sometimes, but as they're always using chrome, they have no idea I've got my work things at one container and personal things at another. This way I feel A LOT safer than having multiple profiles explicitly visible to anyone. Also, going through one window to another is workflow breaker for me, so the solutions provided by Arc and Zen are way better, since I just have to press Alt + 1 or Alt + 2 to change between containers.

Just throwing my opinion here... I love vivaldi, but without this feature it's basically impossible for me to keep using it $:\$

olls94

I'm thinking of switching to Firefox because this feature is missing

Spycrowsoft

The fact that this feature is missing is the one thing preventing me from switching to Vivaldi or Brave.

Straight note to the devs: Don't ignore this feature because of all kinds of technical considerations and objections. Users want this and if you ignore or dismiss it, you're making a classical mistake which eventually ruins your product.

maximvasiljev

@Spycrowsoft

I really want this feature too.
In Firefox + containers + Simple Tab Groups(+ regex for catch tabs) I get desired behavior from browser/websites.

But it seems that most ordinary users will find this difficult and/or not very necessary, they would rather like new fancy rounded icons lol

Ayespy

@maximvasiljev I suppose I must be one of those "ordinary users." I personally have absolutely no use for containers - not even profiles. That said, There are more than a dozen features that Vivaldi (and only Vivaldi) provides, that I need to run my business. Vivaldi is my business office, which is why I became a user on the day it was released.

It's unfortunate that Chromium's architecture literally prevents it from hosting more than one profile in a single window, and Vivaldi doesn't have a couple hundred developers to rewrite/patch Chromium and maintain the patch in successive releases, to make it pretend that multiple windows are "tabs," so that it can do a version of "containers." Perhaps some other way to make this work for those users who hold it important, can be implemented. But it's not something the developers can just push a button and make happen.

Spycrowsoft

@Ayespy It is something that will keep users off Vivaldi though, because there are quite a lot of people with the need to use and separate multiple accounts these days.

Most normal people revert to something like: "Use Brave for this, Vivaldi for that, Chrome for this, Firefox for that" and so on.

The demand is certainly there.

I know that you won't have hundreds of developers to throw at the problem...

I'm just telling you what's coming and why you might still loose the browser wars, even with Mozilla on financially unstable footing.

Ayespy

@Spycrowsoft I get it. Of course Vivaldi is not fighting the browser wars. They are building "a browser for our friends."

Spycrowsoft

@Ayespy In that case: Keep calm and carry on.

raymondbh

Almost did the switch from Firefox to Vivaldi after some research, but when I found out that Vivali does not have this function/extention I am not so sure any more, a pitty because it looked so good in other ways... well well.
I think Arc have this feature, but Arc being what it is and not having Linux support... Firefox it is then I guess

essebes

I'm also here to express an interest in this feature. I'm new to Vivaldi, and it checks a lot of boxes on what I want in a browser. Being able to containerize cookies for specific URLs or entire workspaces would make me delete every alternative and solely use Vivaldi. The main reason Vivaldi appeared on my radar is the blocking of tracking and ads, but if I run a Google service it automatically also logs in to other Google services I open, in which case I might as well run Chrome. Not to say that I don't appreciate the fact that it is no longer able to track all my other browsing, but if I could shove Gmail into it's own little box I would be very grateful.

iqaluit

Yes this is a must have feature and should be top priority along with any privacy and encryption initiative within vivaldi components.

Ayespy

@iqaluit It can't be a top priority, because it would mean completely changing the architecture of the browser and hiring significantly more staff. Everything cannot go on the back burner to service a single feature that most people don't even use.

iqaluit

@Ayespy I wish you wouldn't say most ''people don't use.'' A few people in power position opposing in one single forum definitely do not reflect the reality on the ground. That I know!

Besides we never know if the leadership could change direction towards a superior path and find revenue sources for more privacy...

VENIX

@Ayespy said in Multi-Account Containers:

@iqaluit It can't be a top priority, because it would mean completely changing the architecture of the browser and hiring significantly more staff. Everything cannot go on the back burner to service a single feature that most people don't even use.

I started this feature request some years ago and at that time it wasn't clear to me how embedded into the heart of the browser such technology/feature had to be implemented in. In the case of Vivaldi, the change would have to be done at the browser engine level of which they do not absolute control and maintaining such changes clearly is not part of their priorities. Such decision and maintenance they leave up to the Blink developers of which have not shown any interest for such technology.

What I hope to see is Vivaldi moving towards is hardening Vivaldi. As it currently stands, the level of privacy and security Vivaldi provides is not that far apart from Google Chrome.

Brave does this but they have their own agenda of which a lot of web-users don't agree nor want to deal with (crypto, etc) Furthermore, no web browser GUI beats Vivaldi's.

At this point a hardened Vivaldi or a Vivaldi that allows for the same level of hardening that Brave has brought forth to the Chrome line of browsers would be a great deal.
If done properly, will gain the favor of privacy and security advocates and thus more promotion.

Another option would be bringing forth a Vivaldi Gheko flavor browser. This, without a doubt would be a top notch browser killer.
It will dominate over all Firefox forks browser and it would cater to every online users.

It would place Vivaldi with all the tools for regular users and privacy and security advocates to set Vivaldi with the level of security they want and expect from a browser.

yngve

Hello all,

As mentioned earlier, implementing this would be an immense undertaking which we do not have the resources for.

It would probably take a dedicated team several months to develop the necessary changes in the Chromium code base, and possibly several more months to shepherd it through Chromium's patch submission system.

So, here is a suggestion: Many features have been implemented by people who want that particular feature, perhaps some of you are able to take on this project?

For reference, here are some links to resources:

Getting the code
Contributing code to Chromium (including the legal stuff):
Source code search engine