Multi-Account Containers

[Chris78]

@shcherbina Take a look at Zen browser. It is a reskin of firefox to feel a little like Arc.

[rkork2]

@shcherbina said in Multi-Account Containers:

I'm returning to Vivaldi after many years away and this is the missing feature that has stopped me in my tracks. This year I experimented with ARC before going back to Firefox; containers have been part of my workflow for years now. I was genuinely surprised to see that the workspaces feature wasn't containerised at all. I think this will probably keep me on Firefox, or at least a Firefox fork.

Testing Vivaldi for the first time and there is a lot of positive things. However, same as @shcherbina, no containers on workspaces is weird to me.

[Ayespy]

@rkork2 Chromium (the engine behind Vivaldi) prevents multi-account containers. It can only support one profile per page. Every page is profile-centered.

[ingolftopf]

@Ayespy
Since Chromium is being developed by the Open Source community all over the world, this may well still come.

[Ayespy]

@ingolftopf One never knows.

[fahad44]

@Ayespy Isn't it blink?

[Ayespy]

@fahad44 No. It's largely the assembled components of the Chromium browser. These include both the Blink rendering engine and the Chrome V8 Javascript engine, as well as the actual Chromium browser engine, which interprets the output of the Blink rendering engine for the UI. The UI of Chromium is not used, but rather the Vivaldi UI, which is a layer written specifically by and for Vivaldi. Vivaldi also uses the Chromium networking component and the Chromium data persistence component. Vivaldi patches some of these elements pretty heavily and maintains and updates the patches with every new version of Chromium, to create Vivaldi's unique browser, but all of the main structural components (except the UI) are inherited directly from Chromium.

[valio4ek]

Looks like the same features have Arc browser.
The main idea that you can have N spases with different coocie/chace and use one browser for different spaces
So I can be on the save page but with different cookies/cache

What prevents you from doing the same thing or at least similar in the Vivaldi browser?

[Ayespy]

@valio4ek This is ARC browser re-factoring windows to present them as tabs. So what looks like one window with tabs is actually multiple windows. This takes the same amount of resources as just running multiple windows separately, but it can be done.

I don't know what it would cost to maintain relevant patches with each Chromium update, but I do know ARC browser has massive outside funding and double the number of developers Vivaldi does.

Obviously, Vivaldi could do the same, but it would mean substantially altering the architecture of the browser, which would involve months of work and abandoning, in the interim, several kinds of progress already planned. So you would have to convince Vivaldi that multi-account containers is essentially more important than anything else, and everything should be put on hold to pursue this one feature.

[lucasveloso7]

Hey, just passing by to say that I'm another one looking for this feature. Recently I've been using Arc and Zen Browser, but honestly, Vivaldi is the one that I fall in love everytime I open it, but there's this one thing that always keeps me from using it: Multiple profiles in one single window (in a more "discreet" way). I mean, at work, people might use my computer sometimes, but as they're always using chrome, they have no idea I've got my work things at one container and personal things at another. This way I feel A LOT safer than having multiple profiles explicitly visible to anyone. Also, going through one window to another is workflow breaker for me, so the solutions provided by Arc and Zen are way better, since I just have to press Alt + 1 or Alt + 2 to change between containers.

Just throwing my opinion here... I love vivaldi, but without this feature it's basically impossible for me to keep using it

[olls94]

I'm thinking of switching to Firefox because this feature is missing

[Spycrowsoft]

The fact that this feature is missing is the one thing preventing me from switching to Vivaldi or Brave.

Straight note to the devs: Don't ignore this feature because of all kinds of technical considerations and objections. Users want this and if you ignore or dismiss it, you're making a classical mistake which eventually ruins your product.

[maximvasiljev]

@Spycrowsoft

I really want this feature too.
In Firefox + containers + Simple Tab Groups(+ regex for catch tabs) I get desired behavior from browser/websites.

But it seems that most ordinary users will find this difficult and/or not very necessary, they would rather like new fancy rounded icons lol

[Ayespy]

@maximvasiljev I suppose I must be one of those "ordinary users." I personally have absolutely no use for containers - not even profiles. That said, There are more than a dozen features that Vivaldi (and only Vivaldi) provides, that I need to run my business. Vivaldi is my business office, which is why I became a user on the day it was released.

It's unfortunate that Chromium's architecture literally prevents it from hosting more than one profile in a single window, and Vivaldi doesn't have a couple hundred developers to rewrite/patch Chromium and maintain the patch in successive releases, to make it pretend that multiple windows are "tabs," so that it can do a version of "containers." Perhaps some other way to make this work for those users who hold it important, can be implemented. But it's not something the developers can just push a button and make happen.

[Spycrowsoft]

@Ayespy It is something that will keep users off Vivaldi though, because there are quite a lot of people with the need to use and separate multiple accounts these days.

Most normal people revert to something like: "Use Brave for this, Vivaldi for that, Chrome for this, Firefox for that" and so on.

The demand is certainly there.

I know that you won't have hundreds of developers to throw at the problem...

I'm just telling you what's coming and why you might still loose the browser wars, even with Mozilla on financially unstable footing.

[Ayespy]

@Spycrowsoft I get it. Of course Vivaldi is not fighting the browser wars. They are building "a browser for our friends."

[Spycrowsoft]

@Ayespy In that case: Keep calm and carry on.

[raymondbh]

Almost did the switch from Firefox to Vivaldi after some research, but when I found out that Vivali does not have this function/extention I am not so sure any more, a pitty because it looked so good in other ways... well well.
I think Arc have this feature, but Arc being what it is and not having Linux support... Firefox it is then I guess

[essebes]

I'm also here to express an interest in this feature. I'm new to Vivaldi, and it checks a lot of boxes on what I want in a browser. Being able to containerize cookies for specific URLs or entire workspaces would make me delete every alternative and solely use Vivaldi. The main reason Vivaldi appeared on my radar is the blocking of tracking and ads, but if I run a Google service it automatically also logs in to other Google services I open, in which case I might as well run Chrome. Not to say that I don't appreciate the fact that it is no longer able to track all my other browsing, but if I could shove Gmail into it's own little box I would be very grateful.

[iqaluit]

Yes this is a must have feature and should be top priority along with any privacy and encryption initiative within vivaldi components.