Multi-Account Containers
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@Edmarcio I ran it though a corporate database. 86 employees, most of them developers. Vivaldi has about 50 employees, fewer than 30 of whom are developers.
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@yngve and what about Nested Tab stacks? Does Vivaldi A.S. see the value of that?
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@Kjala I don't work on the UI, so I have absolutely no idea what those devs consider implementing.
I suspect though, that the current three-level system (workspaces, tab stacks, normal tabs) suffices for most uses.
AFAICT in a quick search, though, there is no feature request for that in the system.
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@yngve said in Multi-Account Containers:
@Kjala I don't work on the UI, so I have absolutely no idea what those devs consider implementing.
Oh, okay.
I suspect though, that the current three-level system (workspaces, tab stacks, normal tabs) suffices for most uses.
AFAICT in a quick search, though, there is no feature request for that in the system.
There's big thread requesting for this feature and you might not know how Vivaldi users have the most unthought of workflows. This browser is used by OG tab hoarders, search engine hoarders, the guys who save such sessions and a lot more. You know; when in doubt, make it an option
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@Kjala said in Multi-Account Containers:
There's big thread requesting for this feature
That may get the attention of the forum admins (who might, or might not, prioritize it for a feature request bug), but in most cases, unless it is in the bug tracker most devs won't know about it.
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Really hope we get this feature. Vivaldi is a powerhouse and this feature is a no-brainier for power users. Especially web developers, people who work in IT or social media and the tech space.
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I'm not sure if it's been stated elsewhere (this is a looong thread), what I've seen of the conversation usually focuses on things like "I have multiple accounts on the same website, so I want a container for each account", and while that's not an invalid use-case, I feel it drowns out what I consider a more important use-case: privacy.
The Multi-Account Container extension stems from the Facebook Container extension, which isolates all Meta websites into its own container, ensuring that you can't be linked easily with the non-Meta websites you visit where there's communication with Meta websites.
The MAC extension can be applied to similar networks like Google, preventing a logged in account to be picked by other non-Google websites.
I do understand that this is currently not possible and not up to Vivaldi's devs to add such a feature. The workaround proposed, to make a different Profile, is not bad... however, it presents a little annoyance: if I make a new Profile for specific websites, I have to configure everything like my main Profile.
How feasible could it be to add the possibility to pre-set a new Profile with browser settings based on another Profile?
And how feasible could it be to add rules like Workspaces rules, where a certain website is opened in another Profile?
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I feel workspaces are the perfect place to build the containerisation. Allow people the option to containerise them with a checkbox if they want, or leave it empty if they'd prefer not to.
If they choose to, one workspace has cookies and session info completely separate from the next workspace. I already have separate work & personal workspaces, and this way each workspace my work workspace can be logged in to my company o365 account, the personal one in to my personal o365 account. It'll make using each so much easier.
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@bastardsheep Agree, I have see similar feature in other browser like ARC
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this would be awesome, if the worspaces worked as container (profile with separate cookies, history, logins...) but with shared app settings. This would allow to quickly switch between browsing profiles without opening separate windows.
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I'm returning to Vivaldi after many years away and this is the missing feature that has stopped me in my tracks. This year I experimented with ARC before going back to Firefox; containers have been part of my workflow for years now. I was genuinely surprised to see that the workspaces feature wasn't containerised at all. I think this will probably keep me on Firefox, or at least a Firefox fork.
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@shcherbina Take a look at Zen browser. It is a reskin of firefox to feel a little like Arc.
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@shcherbina said in Multi-Account Containers:
I'm returning to Vivaldi after many years away and this is the missing feature that has stopped me in my tracks. This year I experimented with ARC before going back to Firefox; containers have been part of my workflow for years now. I was genuinely surprised to see that the workspaces feature wasn't containerised at all. I think this will probably keep me on Firefox, or at least a Firefox fork.
Testing Vivaldi for the first time and there is a lot of positive things. However, same as @shcherbina, no containers on workspaces is weird to me.
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@rkork2 Chromium (the engine behind Vivaldi) prevents multi-account containers. It can only support one profile per page. Every page is profile-centered.
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@Ayespy
Since Chromium is being developed by the Open Source community all over the world, this may well still come.
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@ingolftopf One never knows.
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@Ayespy Isn't it blink?
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@fahad44 No. It's largely the assembled components of the Chromium browser. These include both the Blink rendering engine and the Chrome V8 Javascript engine, as well as the actual Chromium browser engine, which interprets the output of the Blink rendering engine for the UI. The UI of Chromium is not used, but rather the Vivaldi UI, which is a layer written specifically by and for Vivaldi. Vivaldi also uses the Chromium networking component and the Chromium data persistence component. Vivaldi patches some of these elements pretty heavily and maintains and updates the patches with every new version of Chromium, to create Vivaldi's unique browser, but all of the main structural components (except the UI) are inherited directly from Chromium.
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Looks like the same features have Arc browser.
The main idea that you can have N spases with different coocie/chace and use one browser for different spaces
So I can be on the save page but with different cookies/cache
What prevents you from doing the same thing or at least similar in the Vivaldi browser?
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@valio4ek This is ARC browser re-factoring windows to present them as tabs. So what looks like one window with tabs is actually multiple windows. This takes the same amount of resources as just running multiple windows separately, but it can be done.
I don't know what it would cost to maintain relevant patches with each Chromium update, but I do know ARC browser has massive outside funding and double the number of developers Vivaldi does.
Obviously, Vivaldi could do the same, but it would mean substantially altering the architecture of the browser, which would involve months of work and abandoning, in the interim, several kinds of progress already planned. So you would have to convince Vivaldi that multi-account containers is essentially more important than anything else, and everything should be put on hold to pursue this one feature.
