Multi-Account Containers

[CovenStine]

@yngve ok so let me rewrite that to make sure I understand

The tab would be nested in the tab group, which is itself nested in the workspace, which is in turn nested in the window, which is nested in the profile.
In order to save all browsing data in the profile, the data retention occurs at the profile level.

Trying to insert foreign profile material into the window/workspace/tab would require almost a parasite within the nesting structure- creating a contained virtualized profile that's wholly separate from the profile/window/workspace it's displayed within, except for the UI portion. A call to an external system from 3++ layers deep in the UI.

Good luck fitting a second whole doll into one of those Matryoshka Dolls† eh?

That sounds like a fun challenge for a graduate student, but a huge waste of resources at the full on developer level- for a free product at that...
That about right?

Thanks for explaining!
†See wikipedia[dot]org/wik/Matryoshka_doll, apparently I can't post links anymore

[Edmarcio]

@CovenStine maybe a better way to have a better ideia it is to try to understand how Arc do it.
The chromium updates is being posted there just fine... so they have bigger team?

Because there the profile linked to Workspace is working without major issue... so what they did different that others big companies seems hard to do?

For example their Chromium 128.0.6613.85 update was released on August 22, 2024... just 1 day after Chrome received the update on August 21, 2024.

They are not falling behind others company in post Chromium updates even with Workspace with different profiles... that lead me to believe it is not something that is hard / slow to be back ported to Chromium updates... not something that drastic changes Chromium.

[etimmy]

Hello! I would love to see this feature come to the browser!!

over +9000 from me

[Ayespy]

@Edmarcio The ARC team is about three times the size of the Vivaldi team.

[Edmarcio]

@Ayespy Is that the case? When you check on Google both seems to have around 50 employees.

I think the dev team for these niche browser are more like to like... probably Chrome, Edge, etc has way more employees working on it.

[Ayespy]

@Edmarcio I ran it though a corporate database. 86 employees, most of them developers. Vivaldi has about 50 employees, fewer than 30 of whom are developers.

[Kjala]

@yngve and what about Nested Tab stacks? Does Vivaldi A.S. see the value of that?

[yngve]

@Kjala I don't work on the UI, so I have absolutely no idea what those devs consider implementing.

I suspect though, that the current three-level system (workspaces, tab stacks, normal tabs) suffices for most uses.

AFAICT in a quick search, though, there is no feature request for that in the system.

[Kjala]

@yngve said in Multi-Account Containers:

@Kjala I don't work on the UI, so I have absolutely no idea what those devs consider implementing.

Oh, okay.

I suspect though, that the current three-level system (workspaces, tab stacks, normal tabs) suffices for most uses.

AFAICT in a quick search, though, there is no feature request for that in the system.

There's big thread requesting for this feature and you might not know how Vivaldi users have the most unthought of workflows. This browser is used by OG tab hoarders, search engine hoarders, the guys who save such sessions and a lot more. You know; when in doubt, make it an option

[yngve]

@Kjala said in Multi-Account Containers:

There's big thread requesting for this feature

That may get the attention of the forum admins (who might, or might not, prioritize it for a feature request bug), but in most cases, unless it is in the bug tracker most devs won't know about it.

[xghozt]

Really hope we get this feature. Vivaldi is a powerhouse and this feature is a no-brainier for power users. Especially web developers, people who work in IT or social media and the tech space.

[TyrionTargaryen]

I'm not sure if it's been stated elsewhere (this is a looong thread), what I've seen of the conversation usually focuses on things like "I have multiple accounts on the same website, so I want a container for each account", and while that's not an invalid use-case, I feel it drowns out what I consider a more important use-case: privacy.

The Multi-Account Container extension stems from the Facebook Container extension, which isolates all Meta websites into its own container, ensuring that you can't be linked easily with the non-Meta websites you visit where there's communication with Meta websites.

The MAC extension can be applied to similar networks like Google, preventing a logged in account to be picked by other non-Google websites.

I do understand that this is currently not possible and not up to Vivaldi's devs to add such a feature. The workaround proposed, to make a different Profile, is not bad... however, it presents a little annoyance: if I make a new Profile for specific websites, I have to configure everything like my main Profile.

How feasible could it be to add the possibility to pre-set a new Profile with browser settings based on another Profile?

And how feasible could it be to add rules like Workspaces rules, where a certain website is opened in another Profile?

[bastardsheep]

I feel workspaces are the perfect place to build the containerisation. Allow people the option to containerise them with a checkbox if they want, or leave it empty if they'd prefer not to.

If they choose to, one workspace has cookies and session info completely separate from the next workspace. I already have separate work & personal workspaces, and this way each workspace my work workspace can be logged in to my company o365 account, the personal one in to my personal o365 account. It'll make using each so much easier.

[mxkrunalpatel]

@bastardsheep Agree, I have see similar feature in other browser like ARC

[Piemau]

this would be awesome, if the worspaces worked as container (profile with separate cookies, history, logins...) but with shared app settings. This would allow to quickly switch between browsing profiles without opening separate windows.

[shcherbina]

I'm returning to Vivaldi after many years away and this is the missing feature that has stopped me in my tracks. This year I experimented with ARC before going back to Firefox; containers have been part of my workflow for years now. I was genuinely surprised to see that the workspaces feature wasn't containerised at all. I think this will probably keep me on Firefox, or at least a Firefox fork.

[Chris78]

@shcherbina Take a look at Zen browser. It is a reskin of firefox to feel a little like Arc.

[rkork2]

@shcherbina said in Multi-Account Containers:

I'm returning to Vivaldi after many years away and this is the missing feature that has stopped me in my tracks. This year I experimented with ARC before going back to Firefox; containers have been part of my workflow for years now. I was genuinely surprised to see that the workspaces feature wasn't containerised at all. I think this will probably keep me on Firefox, or at least a Firefox fork.

Testing Vivaldi for the first time and there is a lot of positive things. However, same as @shcherbina, no containers on workspaces is weird to me.

[Ayespy]

@rkork2 Chromium (the engine behind Vivaldi) prevents multi-account containers. It can only support one profile per page. Every page is profile-centered.

[ingolftopf]

@Ayespy
Since Chromium is being developed by the Open Source community all over the world, this may well still come.