Multi-Account Containers
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@pesala
Hi Pesala, I don't think that is what he had in mind about 2 twitter accounts in seperate tabs.I think there is a misunderstanding about what, it is, the containers do, that people like so much.
People want to browse normally in different accounts in different tabs in the same window.
Something like what this browser does and advertises..
https://ghostbrowser.com- I have two Notion accounts I want them side by side in same window, using the power of Vivaldi to tile or stack. I can drag and drop between or from the side panel.
- Likewise with 2 or 3 email accounts. ( work, personal and family)
- Or webapps ( think Trello, Asana, Clickup, Slack....)
- Social media managers could stay logged into all the accounts they are managing that day.
- In Infinity ( trello clone) I have a personal and a work account and with Vivaldi I have to use a separate vivaldi install to access both.
If I use the private tab I lose all my extensions, my whole setup and all the functionality of Vivaldi I mention above to mix and match tabs, using extensions and tiling, stacking.... etc....
Likewise, different profiles take time to set up and are not flexible. Profiles are really for different users that need a different setup (look or feel)
If I get a new client today to manage their accounts, I don't want to set up a profile that I might never use again once complete. I just want to login and get down to work using my profile that I have spent time setting up for my needs.For ease of work, I don't want the disconnect that happens to my workflow and productivity from switching profiles, browsers, or to private windows with different setups bookmarks, etc. The beauty of Vivaldi is I can set it up best for my productivity needs and I waste time if I leave that optimum environment.
Private Tabs are for privacy and have a different place But this is not what people are seeking.
You might as well just use a separate browser, because it's NOT the Privacy people are looking for!
(apart from keeping accounts private and unseen from each other. under the hood, like ghost browsers cookie jars concept.).It's the Multi-Tasking with Multiple apps and Multiple logins using the FULL power of Vivaldi, that people are looking for.
Functionality that will drastically speed up people's workflow, whose desktop is the web browser.
Functionality that Vivaldi desperately needs and why this is the most voted for request, In my opinion.
I could never leave Vivaldi for Ghost browser or firefox as I would leave too many great features.
But this is a feature we really need in today's internet and I hope Vivaldi adds it because Vivaldi is the best. -
@dmg browseruser asked what he can do. Must he wait for this feature request to be implemented before he can open two Twitter accounts at once? Right above his post I explained why we might have to wait some time for this to be implemented.
This is one of the feature requests from the beginning of this new feature request forum, and is second in the list of the most popular feature requests.
Currently, it is tagged as Nice to Have, so the developers are not currently working on it, nor is it in the Pipeline of things to do.
Workarounds are all that we can offer at the moment for those who cannot wait months or years to do what they want.
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@pesala said in Multi-Account Containers:
@dmg browseruser asked what he can do. Must he wait for this feature request to be implemented before he can open two Twitter accounts at once?
Well they can also just open Firefox. I do it for for the rare cases where I have to do something in one of my 3 google accounts (work, private, pseudonymous) that is not the currently logged in one because it's faster to do than either
- logging out of the currently-signed in account in Vivaldi, logging into the other one and then back again
or - use one of the many workarounds mentioned here, all of which involve me opening a second browser window* and in some cases even still having to login into the other account. If I've got to clutter my workspace with another window it might as well be a Firefox one where I've got this stuff already set up.
The last remark is another point in favor of Containers. It takes me like 5 minutes to setup my container workflow in Firefox on a new machine. Press and hold New Tab -> Manage Containers -> Add one for each account. -> Open tabs in the respective containers and login to the relevant accounts, making sure I specify "keep me logged in".
Tada, I now have a solution to use any website with the account I want already logged in and it takes literally only two additional clicks when opening a new tab to specify the account (right click on link -> hover over context menu "open in container" -> click container in list), and those tabs integrate seamlessly with all the other tabs.
If one combines it with pinned tabs you can have your browser open multiple google-calendar/twitter/gmail/whatever tabs on startup all of which are logged into different accounts. Very handy. It's not ideal that someone who wants to separate their work life, their real-life-but-private persona and their pseudonymous persona needs to create different accounts to do that, but I think it's good practice and containers are the browser-solution to deal with that, I'm not sure it can get any less painless. It really is a killer-feature for Firefox, by which I mean for me it's the last reason to open up Firefox from time to time as described above.(This last bit is more for the people who confuse containers with being about privacy or something else besides workflow. This thread has been 7 pages being mostly dominated by people who don't know what containers are about. I don't know if they have any privacy benefits beyond encouraging people to have multiple accounts per service (which they do by making working with multiple accounts seamless))
Currently, it is tagged as Nice to Have, so the developers are not currently working on it, nor is it in the Pipeline of things to do.
Workarounds are all that we can offer at the moment for those who cannot wait months or years to do what they want.
That's actually fine, but it is a bit tiring to read statements pretending that 1. any of the workarounds are close enough to the real thing to be acceptable or 2. that this isn't a killer feature by Firefox worth emulating. I don't think there's anything else in Firefox these days that justifies keeping it around as a user (well now that I think about it maybe Tree Style Tabs does things that Vivaldi's native tabs don't...). Goddamnit I would just like a browser that has or allows adding top-notch functionality and isn't suspect to changes by the monkeys over at Mozilla who make such inane decisions like getting rid of compact mode and shit.
Right above his post I explained why we might have to wait some time for this to be implemented.
I mean that boiled down to "We don't wanna! (invest the manpower because we don't think it's worth it)" Which I guess is actually fine too. You work on what you want to work on. But then I don't think you have a reasonable claim to say that you're a browser that pursues to be about what users want.
* for completeness's sake, SessionBox does not require this afaict. Instead it requires signing up an account with them and supposedly sharing infos about my online accounts and browsing behavior with them which is like orders of magnitude worse.
- logging out of the currently-signed in account in Vivaldi, logging into the other one and then back again
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@sophisticatedcat You need to understand that the Ambassadors and Moderators are just volunteers, and we do not work for Vivaldi. We do not get to decide what gets top priority, and your top priority is going to be different to mine, and that of the developers.
The developers seldom respond here. If it is anyone from the Vivaldi Team, it is more often than not a Community Manager. The developers are active in the Snapshot and Stable release threads.
If you look at the Feature Requests Index Thread 386 topics are tagged as done. Including those for Mobile, Email, etc., over 4,800 feature requests remain, and 38 of those have 75 or more votes. Most have zero or very few votes. I think the Vivaldi Team can claim to pursue what most users want.
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@sophisticatedcat nobody is arguing that Containers are a useful and desired feature for
Vivaldi
.Site isolation and other core features are simply restricted to how much the
Chromium
base can be coerced to behave like a sensible web browser.The current work by
Google
for better 3rd party isolation (cookies, caches) may actually cover large parts of the required changes to browser session management (multiple instances).
But I doubt the API for contextual identities will slip in along the way (happy to be disproved). -
Just starting with Vivaldi and am really enjoying it. However, I am missing multi-account containers quite a bit. In addition to preventing me from being tracked as much, they boost my efficiency.
I have a Google Workspace account and two paid-by-inspecting-my-data accounts. Most things need to be opened in the Workspace account. However, Google photos and Google voice were already set up with the other accounts. Multi-account containers lets me set a domain (ex: mail.google.com vs photos.google.com) to open whichever profile I set instead of having to switch accounts each time.
Thanks
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@pesala Except the profile manager requires you to open a new window. Multi account containers just opens your separate accounts in new tabs. Much better.
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@zinetx SessionBox has been discussed before. I myself prefer and in-house, in-browser solution. I wouldn't trust my precious accounts cookies with third party like this.
I've nothing against SessionsBox, they have not given any reason to be mistrusted, that I know of, but their approach to this solution, is one I don't agree with. I might as well just keep using my modified FF for said convenience.
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@ian-coog In this case I might as well just use different web-browser to achieve the same and perhaps add extra anonymity/complexity.
I've always found Profiles to be annoying and just a problem creator. I myself have encounted several issues to the point of having to reset/reinstall vivaldi.
Then is the case of having someone else using the same browser as you under a different Profile but then they forget to switch to said profile. I learned my lessons and bought her own computer hahaha.
Anyways, what is known as Multi-Account Container is much more than the name. It is a cookie management system which creates a cookie container per tabs/windows.
Instead of having 15 windows/browser, you can have 1 windows with 15 tabs each with their own cookie container. Separate cookies container means you can signup 15 different accounts/websites that cannot see eachoher cookies. -
@venix said in Multi-Account Containers:
@zinetx SessionBox has been discussed before. I myself prefer and in-house, in-browser solution. I wouldn't trust my precious accounts cookies with third party like this.
I've nothing against SessionsBox, they have not given any reason to be mistrusted, that I know of, but their approach to this solution, is one I don't agree with. I might as well just keep using my modified FF for said convenience.
Honestly not having FF's multi account containers is the one thing stopping me from making Vivaldi my full time browser,
It's the one thing for me that puts FF above every other browser.
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Please implement this feature. I know it has been mentioned that it will not be simple, but Ghost Browser is also chromium based and has a really good implementation. Especially with the new sidebar! If Vivaldi could do this you would win over many users who are still using Firefox or Ghost Browser for this specific feature.
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I SECOND THIS! Only thing that keeps me from using Vivaldi as my primary browser. I still depend mainly on firefox because of THIS ONE feature. This was requested back in 2018, come on! Let's consider and implement it:)
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I also 'vote' yes to implement this feature
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i work with multiple accounts of ms powerapps. the containers firefox approach to cookies is absolutely a killer app.
Managing that with profiles is a pain.
Please consider to develop this feature.
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Another vote to implement in Vivaldi. I use FF as my primary browser for Multi-Account Containers. I would use Vivaldi in a heartbeat if it had the same capability.
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Having chosen to more or less ignore this thread historically, i decided now to belatedly read it, from top to bottom. I've found it mildly amusing.
More than many other long-running threads in the forum, IMO this one arguably "best" illustrates a typical tribalism in browserlandia.
- Hardcore Vivaldifarians who for whatever reason seem to have chosen to remain in wilful ignorance of the powerful utility of Mozilla's MAC, hence keep raising easily debunkable "arguments" for why it's unnecessary in V.
- Hardcore Foxxers who are intimately familiar with Mozilla's MAC's advantageous raison d'être, but seem to have chosen to remain in wilful ignorance of the substantial [at least] technical challenge in recreating it in the alien chromium codebase per se, & explicitly complicated by V's comparatively minuscule Dev team & resources.
- Dualers [no, not duelers] familiar with both V and FF+MAC, who valiantly attempt to explain & bridge the comprehension gap. As represented specifically in this thread [as opposed to the wider forum], this group might be deserving of the label "endangered species".
IMO MAC, along with native Nix DoH, Total Cookie Protection, Fission (Site Isolation), Enhanced Tracking Protection, & just
about:config
generally, keep FF ahead of V / chromia re innate user privacy provisions. Much as i truly want V to gain these, i simply doubt that several of them will be technically possible, or at least pragmatically deliverable. For those peeps who value such matters above V's unquestionable UI personalisation advantages [with the singular huge exception of TreeStyleTab / Sidebery], i predict a very long time before we can have our cake & eat it.
ERRATUM.
31/12/21: Wrt native Nix chromia DoH, i am delighted to acknowledge that i was wrong, as finally... at long last... we do now have it! -
@guigirl You reply is refreshing and most welcome.
You truly dissected this thread in a single post and nailed every point, even the treestyletabs.
An "Endangered Species" indeed.
I know it wasn't the intention of your post -perhaps it was- but thank you for the big smile.
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Hi! I discovered MAC on FF a few days ago, I'm a V fan but I'll probably switch to FF for necessity at work, and for convenience on my PC. Is there's a feature request that I can upvote? [ EDIT: this thread IS the feature request. ] (I do know it's challenging, I've read guigirl's post, two posts above mine)
(Just imagine MAC on V, with the endless theming options )
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Hello.
I say vote for the features/options that are useful for everyone and that truly improve the browser's navigation/browsing/multitasking experience.
I believe MAC to be one of those features yet given what is does, its implementation requires much work.
Vivaldi already is a killer browser but with the level of cookie management that MAC would introduce to Vivaldi, it would make it The Browser for the casual interwebs surfer to the hardcore interwebs warrior.
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Please stop suggesting session box. It doesn't even work properly and you are trusting your valuable data to third-party company? When companies like LastPass are being screwed can we really trust the session box?
I have used session box but it's buggy that's why I don't like it. And Vivaldi used to have a container feature but they removed it, unfortunately. I generally use firefox but a sometimes rogue website that doesn't work and using multiple windows is so painful.
I understand it's not a trivial feature but I think it is essential for privacy and many other things. Like I have two discord account one for gaming and one for work and managing two window is so hard.