Stop the new features and concentrate on getting the simple things WORKING



  • Vivaldi I'm so disappointed after all this time you still cannot get the speed-dial working properly. All I want is for my dials to store the website captures set but no this never happens and as soon as the program is rebooted all websites added are blank but of course accessible. Now I love new features but surely you should be getting simple things sorted before putting fancy tab snapping etc which is somewhat useless in my opinion.



  • @unhived:

    Vivaldi I'm so disappointed after all this time you still cannot get the speed-dial working properly. All I want is for my dials to store the website captures set but no this never happens and as soon as the program is rebooted all websites added are blank but of course accessible. Now I love new features but surely you should be getting simple things sorted before putting fancy tab snapping etc which is somewhat useless in my opinion.

    Maybe is better for you to try Otter. Emdek, its main developer, shares (more or less) your vision, (and because of that Otter still doesn't have a speed dial at all.)



  • @The_Solutor:

    Maybe is better for you to try Otter. Emdek, its main developer, shares (more or less) your vision, (and because of that Otter still doesn't have a speed dial at all.)

    +1



  • I keep seeing topics with the users stating that they can't load certain sites, Vivaldi keeps crashing and now Speed Dial is not retaining websites upon rebooting. I am unable to duplicate these issues.

    I currently have 11 different Speed Dial folders and four of those folders have multiple sites inside. I have not lost any web entries during the last three releases and at least one system shutdown every night. So I haven't had this problem and I can't offer a solution at this time.

    My OS is Win 7 x64 on a home built AMD computer with 16 gb of ram. I am using the most current release Vivaldi 1.0.138.4 x32. I just checked my settings menu to see if I had done anything special. There is nothing strange.



  • Honestly, I'm thrilled with all of the new features, and cannot wait to see what more will come. Being that Vivaldi is still in technical previews and dev builds, there's plenty of time for the developers to fix bugs and polish existing features. In the mean time, let them actually establish the browser. Besides, in my experience so far, they've fixed as many issues as they have added features. Because of that balance in these releases, and because the devs listen to the community, Vivaldi is already much better than the competition, imho.



  • Now come on it is all fine and well to get new features but really we must have the first and simplest of bugs corrected. The Speed-dial came first on this browser not snappy tabs and thus the continual dial picture problem should've been addressed way back. Its no good someone keep giving you new gadgets that fail or break? You'd have loved the days of Clive Sinclair he was a pioneer but everything broke and not because of the planned obsolescence agenda either. Vivaldi get your act together on the problems we have right now and then implement other things. I know if this was Opera then many would be digging their heels in at the firm, am I the only one with a level head not stuck in the clouds admiring Vivaldi's every move like a God? Who in their right mind wants snap tabs when what we need is accelerated downloads, audio icons in the tab avatars like opera and other things if we want new needed and useful additions but first fix the bleeding bugs. I've had numerous Vivaldi's decide to remove themselves and no longer load on W8.1 its a bit piss poor. Opera 15 onwards never had all these kind of basic problems. Lets also have a dig on the horrible install icon on windows, god it is revolting like something from windows 95. This browser has potential and I want to get down to using it but for me to switch from Opera Dev will take some work and by that time I suspect Spartan may end up ruling the roost if Microsoft have their heads screwed on (maybe not).



  • "…am I the only one with a level head not stuck in the clouds admiring Vivaldi's every move like a God?"

    No. But others seem to understand the fundamental difference between "technical preview" and "beta version".

    "…what we need is..."

    Please speak for yourself, sir. I've been waiting for ages for a browser able to spread butter on my toast, but nobody seems to care.

    "I know if this was Opera then…"

    How could you?

    "Opera 15 onwards never had all these kind of basic problems."

    Opera 15+ have been final releases and not technical previews.

    "…horrible install icon on windows, god it is revolting like something from windows 95."

    I love that cute little thing.

    What a heap of fallacies.


  • Vivaldi Translator

    leave him alone. when arguing with him it's like helping him to get attention which is not what most of use wants. Because in my opinion this topic is far to wrong but I could not stand it and have to comment as well…

    just think about it... some 3months old pre-alpha state of web browser which aims to power users should stop implementing new features and start fixing bug? It just is... you know... :) not right.

    Just stop complaining and start reporting. They are not silly and can see bugs that needs to be fixed even now and bugs that can be fixed before final releases.

    And to repeat it again: fixing unfinished things will result in fixing them over and over when implemented something related to it. It's like fixing it 10 times before it gets real instead of fixing it once before final version… it's waste of resources I think.



  • @unhived:

    You'd have loved the days of Clive Sinclair he was a pioneer but everything broke and not because of the planned obsolescence agenda either.

    FYI my ZX Spectrum, my QL are in perfectly working order after 33 years or so…

    Even most of the overcriticized microdrives cartriges are still readable and working. I can't say the same for most of the floppies, although the oldest were the most reliable.



  • almost all my bugs were fixed!!! so they are hearing us complaints. be patient, I'm explosive like you but we must be patient, it's hard I know
    to get the the caps do it: at the moment of update vivaldi, if unistall program and data well. so pre load the page in another tab, logging if it necessary, then in the page wanted, go to speed dial page and click in the circle arrow to get the capture, and repeat it on every fav.


  • Moderator

    Vivaldi is already both fixing bugs and implementing features faster than any team twice or three times its size.

    The concept of Vivaldi at launch, and the reason for its meteoric rise so far, is similar FEATURES to olde Opera. No one gives a royal flyin' flip about a browser (like Otter) that does the basic things perfectly and has few or no features. Chrome, FireFox, Opera Neu and a hundred other browsers already have that market covered. The hole in the market, the market niche, that Vivaldi is seeking to fill is the FEATURE-LADEN browser, which is also fast and smooth. The amount of progress made just since the initial release on Jan 28 - just TWO MONTHS AGO has been absolutely staggering for a roughly 15-man team - both in feature-adding and bug-fixing.

    So, with all due respect, stop the whining. You lack perspective, and have a misinformed idea concerning the raison d'être of this browser. Its team is doing exactly what they set out to do, and feature-polishing at this early, early, early stage is not it.



  • @Ayespy:

    Vivaldi is already both fixing bugs and implementing features faster than any team twice or three times its size.

    The concept of Vivaldi at launch, and the reason for its meteoric rise so far, is similar FEATURES to olde Opera. No one gives a royal flyin' flip about a browser (like Otter) that does the basic things perfectly and has few or no features. Chrome, FireFox, Opera Neu and a hundred other browsers already have that market covered. The hole in the market, the market niche, that Vivaldi is seeking to fill is the FEATURE-LADEN browser, which is also fast and smooth. The amount of progress made just since the initial release on Jan 28 - just TWO MONTHS AGO has been absolutely staggering for a roughly 15-man team - both in feature-adding and bug-fixing.

    So, with all due respect, stop the whining. You lack perspective, and have a misinformed idea concerning the raison d'être of this browser. Its team is doing exactly what they set out to do, and feature-polishing at this early, early, early stage is not it.

    I couldn't agree more. It's surprising how much they have done with such a small amount of resources.



  • I understand that Vivaldi is still a tech preview. However, I do somewhat agree here. From a developer for 22 years' point of view, on other projects not Vivaldi, when you start to fix the simple things, those simple fixes are going to become very overly complicated trying to deal with a lot of features already added. Keep it simple stupid (KISS). Especially in the beginning. For example, I personally hate that it loads the last page visited every time it's started. Why is the simple option to ONLY load the set start page on start not there? One of the most fundamental options for users that will screw with things like tab stacking, and speed dials if coded after them. Working "backwards" is making it more complicated for you guys to work on in the long run, is going to frustrate developers to the point of quitting months from now when they REALLY matter, and delay the release of Vivaldi far beyond any projection. I'm not saying choose simple over features. I love the features. I called Vivaldi the next evolution of browsers on a site following the development. I'm saying follow the logical over the flamboyant course. Just giving a little wisdom from experience. :)



  • Stop trying to teach your grandmother to suck eggs.

    Do you remember who started Opera in the first place? Don't you think these people know anything about software development yet?



  • @tardigrada:

    "…am I the only one with a level head not stuck in the clouds admiring Vivaldi's every move like a God?"

    No. But others seem to understand the fundamental difference between "technical preview" and "beta version".

    "…what we need is..."

    Please speak for yourself, sir. I've been waiting for ages for a browser able to spread butter on my toast, but nobody seems to care.

    "I know if this was Opera then…"

    How could you?

    "Opera 15 onwards never had all these kind of basic problems."

    Opera 15+ have been final releases and not technical previews.

    "…horrible install icon on windows, god it is revolting like something from windows 95."

    I love that cute little thing.

    What a heap of fallacies.

    Calling something a technical preview doesn't mean we cannot expect the most basic of problems to be improved as we get more technical preview. What do you these Opera Developer and other browser builds are? Opera often corrects mistakes especially silly mistakes even in Developer which I've used for a long time and I have virtually no problems and if I ever did I just went to beta till the next release. Vivaldi do not give a rats backside about correcting the speed dials which we've complained about for ages. Yes I want a browser with masses of features like Vivaldi but I want my fundamental browser basics working I use speed dial and I want it working not a tab tiling which is almost USELESS and especially if you go above two tiles on the screen at once. For god sake what is wrong with you people screaming out for features when simple problems need ironing out? Keep crying for some useless features whilst some of us almost give up on Vivaldi for our basic needs. Why not ask Vivaldi to allow visible Google extensions for the time being rather than tab tiling? The install icon for Vivaldi browser is absolutely disgusting, I'm not talking about the Vivaldi logo that is nice and fine but the install icon its so retro and looks ugly. Opera has been in beta and dev mode for a long time and they are all pretty much rock solid for people to use everyday so do not make out as if Opera are no different or just releasing perfect stable releases. Whilst Opera have dragged their feet on features there is one thing we cannot deny and that is that Opera ia clean, fast and reliable and right now it is my default browser and will be for a long time. At least Opera have the audio tab icon in the right place for power users with many tabs open. I noticed Slimjet was as lame as Vivaldi when it comes to the audio icon positioning. I'm a true power-user of browsing and rest assured I know what is good and bad. I've come across a lot of painful things in Vivaldi when really hammering the browser and right now it is very far away from suiting real power users. Its time people took their heads out of the clouds for a minute. I find people have been lacking features for too long and then when Maxthon and now Vivaldi come along people go hyper on the brand but no longer stay level headed and on the ground. These companies are not perfect and far from it and need much more input from real users. I love Opera but if you give me a browser better I will switch, brands mean nothing to me only their qualities do.



  • @The_Solutor:

    @unhived:

    You'd have loved the days of Clive Sinclair he was a pioneer but everything broke and not because of the planned obsolescence agenda either.

    FYI my ZX Spectrum, my QL are in perfectly working order after 33 years or so…

    Even most of the overcriticized microdrives cartriges are still readable and working. I can't say the same for most of the floppies, although the oldest were the most reliable.

    It is a known fact that much of Sinclair's inventions were made on the cheap which were good for the common man but not for reliability. I like the Mr Sinclair and it would be good to see him back on the top again. You might like to watch the movie 'Micro Men' its really good and also interesting on Acorn. Now I personally was a Commodore man for many years from the C64 through into the Amigas. Lets remember the only computer that come close to the Amiga was the Acorn Archimedes which in fact could beat the Amiga is some areas and it was a truly lovely machine for its day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIcAyFVK0gE



  • @Sajadi:

    I rather be willing to use weekly Alpha's and technical previews with the risk that things are broken but with the bonus that more and more features are getting added than using a browser like Opera new which granted… Had an easier road because of simplicity - BUT because i am not interested in simplicity and want healthy complexity and tons of features i am neither using Opera New or the new Mozilla Australis browser, instead i am using Vivaldi.

    So, i look forward for the Vivaldi team to bring on more and more features every week while i wait patiently until the browser becomes stable! A power user browser has always a more rock loaded road in front of it, but in the end it is a road which pleases features demanding users more than something like Mozilla Australis or Opera New :)

    Nothing more to add to that thematic at least from me!

    Oh please that type of talk is so backward! What good is a browser full of whacky features you might never use (tab tiling [more than two on a screen is useless]) when it cannot even perform simple tasks which may be more useful like a speeddial that can simply keep a picture. Right now I've de-installed Vivaldi again out of frustration and I'm definitely not going to install another release for a good while because these little niggles that aren't address really anger me. My God we're going from browsers that wont implement new features but fix errors to the other level of features but lots of errors that can easily be fixed. Wake up people and get out of this Technical Preview excuse. I'm not here to please you people with words coming from the clouds, I'm here to tell Vivaldi how to make a better browsing experience period! So if you don't like my factual common sense words then feel free to float like a drug addict on a hit. Anyone using Vivaldi as a default browser is off their head and Vivaldi would probably admit the same thing. I've had Vivaldi just disappear and no long access so I'm glad I've not made it a default. In fact I think its wrong of Vivaldi giving people the option to make default within their installer. The only browsers I utilise are OPERA, PCXfirefox and to log into awkward sites Lawlietfox and Palemoon. When it comes to reliability I do not think you can beat Palemoon.



  • @Ayespy:

    Vivaldi is already both fixing bugs and implementing features faster than any team twice or three times its size.

    The concept of Vivaldi at launch, and the reason for its meteoric rise so far, is similar FEATURES to olde Opera. No one gives a royal flyin' flip about a browser (like Otter) that does the basic things perfectly and has few or no features. Chrome, FireFox, Opera Neu and a hundred other browsers already have that market covered. The hole in the market, the market niche, that Vivaldi is seeking to fill is the FEATURE-LADEN browser, which is also fast and smooth. The amount of progress made just since the initial release on Jan 28 - just TWO MONTHS AGO has been absolutely staggering for a roughly 15-man team - both in feature-adding and bug-fixing.

    So, with all due respect, stop the whining. You lack perspective, and have a misinformed idea concerning the raison d'être of this browser. Its team is doing exactly what they set out to do, and feature-polishing at this early, early, early stage is not it.

    Comparing Otter to what I'm asking for is like comparing apples to oranges. A browser needs to perform the basic raw tasks properly before or at least as often as it gets a new feature. If I cannot do my basic tasks then what good is a fancy feature? You do not understand me at all, I want lots of features but I want my browser working at the same time and I want the features done well. So stop making out I want a Otter browser I just want perfection. If someone can code a browser to tab tile and perform miracles then surely to God they can make a speed dial work and save the dials (just one example). Please get your head out of the clouds and realize what I've just said and how poor it is if such good minds don't give a rats on the basics. I'd rather have Opera just doing the basics and giving me something I can use as default and rely upon and the same with Mozilla which has come on leaps and bounds recently for reliability and speed. I know you use Opera and I see you over at the Opera area commenting so you should know the score on the door by now.



  • @unhived:

    Now I personally was a Commodore man for many years from the C64 through into the Amigas.

    Why I'm not surprised? :evil:



  • @Pesala:

    Stop trying to teach your grandmother to suck eggs.

    Do you remember who started Opera in the first place? Don't you think these people know anything about software development yet?

    Yes we know this but it doesn't give such experience the excuse for sloppy basic work. From what I gather Vivaldi is out to quick wow people to draw people in but this will not work unless the basics are covered. People will flock to Vivaldi if it has the basics working well but the advanced features a bit buggy needing work. When hardcore reality people come along and notice simple things playing up but keep seeing complicated hardcore feature advancements they're going to question what is going on and why can't my browser function as it should for my normal tasks. Right now I'd much rather have a speed dial functioning well than tab tiling as an example for you. Now ask yourself whats the point of making a wonderful looking speed dial that even beats Opera (king of beautiful dials until now) but then let it all down from day one by having dials disappear etc to me it is plain stupid. Now whilst some attack me because I speak without my head in the clouds you will see one guy has agreed with me and he is a developer. Now if you read his words he is very correct! Start off getting the easy things corrected and then progress otherwise you end up with a mess to deal with.


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