Bill Gates not able to install Windows 8.1
Hi, I knew it's hard to install Windows, but that Bill Gates himself would have problems is news to me! :) [center][url=http://nyr.kr/1l0bvkD]GATES TRYING TO INSTALL WINDOWS 8.1[/url][/center]
JamesD last edited by
LOL… sure this happened. Sure Gates and Nadella couldn't install 8.1. Right! I'm at least a thousand times dumber than either of these engineers and I've installed it on all three of our computers without a hitch. I LOVE 8.1 and can't wait for the new features due out in April. Now... if you have prime land available in the Everglades for a $1 an acre, I might actually be interested! ;-)
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JamesD, do you think the New Yorker made this up? This is the kind of story that, if false, could sink the newspaper, or at least Mr. Borowitz. Then again, he is a satirist.
Geekwire reporting it as false. And I was enjoying the schadenfreude.
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Quote from above link:
The New Yorker’s Andy Borowitz is stirring up lots of attention with this satire about Bill Gates spending his entire first day back at Microsoft trying to install Windows 8.1. No, it isn’t real, although a lot of people seem to think it is.
(There seems to be a lot of this going around lately. Note to attempted satirists: It really helps if you make your satire actually funny.)
That said, it’s not all that far from reality. Reading the post reminded me of a document that I dug up back in 2008, when I was a reporter for the Seattle P-I newspaper working on stories about Gates’ impending departure from his day-to-day role at the company. The memo was buried in the documents from one of Microsoft’s antitrust trials, and it hadn’t previously been reported.
So here it is, in honor of Gates’ return to Microsoft as a part-time technical adviser.
From: Bill Gates
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:05 AM
To: Jim Allchin
Cc: Chris Jones (WINDOWS); Bharat Shah (NT); Joe Peterson; Will Poole; Brian Valentine; Anoop Gupta (RESEARCH)
Subject: Windows Usability Systematic degradation flame
I am quite disappointed at how Windows Usability has been going backwards and the program management groups don’t drive usability issues.
Let me give you my experience from yesterday.
I decided to download (Moviemaker) and buy the Digital Plus pack … so I went to Microsoft.com. They have a download place so I went there.
The first 5 times I used the site it timed out while trying to bring up the download page. Then after an 8 second delay I got it to come up.
This site is so slow it is unusable.
It wasn’t in the top 5 so I expanded the other 45.
These 45 names are totally confusing. These names make stuff like: C:Documents and SettingsbillgMy DocumentsMy Pictures seem clear.
They are not filtered by the system … and so many of the things are strange.
I tried scoping to Media stuff. Still no moviemaker. I typed in movie. Nothing. I typed in movie maker. Nothing.
So I gave up and sent mail to Amir saying – where is this Moviemaker download? Does it exist?
So they told me that using the download page to download something was not something they anticipated.
They told me to go to the main page search button and type movie maker (not moviemaker!).
I tried that. The site was pathetically slow but after 6 seconds of waiting up it came.
I thought for sure now I would see a button to just go do the download.
In fact it is more like a puzzle that you get to solve. It told me to go to Windows Update and do a bunch of incantations.
This struck me as completely odd. Why should I have to go somewhere else and do a scan to download moviemaker?
So I went to Windows update. Windows Update decides I need to download a bunch of controls. (Not) just once but multiple times where I get to see weird dialog boxes.
Doesn’t Windows update know some key to talk to Windows?
Then I did the scan. This took quite some time and I was told it was critical for me to download 17megs of stuff.
This is after I was told we were doing delta patches to things but instead just to get 6 things that are labeled in the SCARIEST possible way I had to download 17meg.
So I did the download. That part was fast. Then it wanted to do an install. This took 6 minutes and the machine was so slow I couldn’t use it for anything else during this time.
What the heck is going on during those 6 minutes? That is crazy. This is after the download was finished.
Then it told me to reboot my machine. Why should I do that? I reboot every night — why should I reboot at that time?
So I did the reboot because it INSISTED on it. Of course that meant completely getting rid of all my Outlook state.
So I got back up and running and went to Windows Update again. I forgot why I was in Windows Update at all since all I wanted was to get Moviemaker.
So I went back to Microsoft.com and looked at the instructions. I have to click on a folder called WindowsXP. Why should I do that? Windows Update knows I am on Windows XP.
What does it mean to have to click on that folder? So I get a bunch of confusing stuff but sure enough one of them is Moviemaker.
So I do the download. The download is fast but the Install takes many minutes. Amazing how slow this thing is.
At some point I get told I need to go get Windows Media Series 9 to download.
So I decide I will go do that. This time I get dialogs saying things like “Open” or “Save”. No guidance in the instructions which to do. I have no clue which to do.
The download is fast and the install takes 7 minutes for this thing.
So now I think I am going to have Moviemaker. I go to my add/remove programs place to make sure it is there.
It is not there.
What is there? The following garbage is there. Microsoft Autoupdate Exclusive test package, Microsoft Autoupdate Reboot test package, Microsoft Autoupdate testpackage1. Microsoft AUtoupdate testpackage2, Microsoft Autoupdate Test package3.
Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable? The file system is no longer usable. The registry is not usable. This program listing was one sane place but now it is all crapped up.
But that is just the start of the crap. Later I have listed things like Windows XP Hotfix see Q329048 for more information. What is Q329048? Why are these series of patches listed here? Some of the patches just things like Q810655 instead of saying see Q329048 for more information.
What an absolute mess.
Moviemaker is just not there at all.
So I give up on Moviemaker and decide to download the Digital Plus Package.
I get told I need to go enter a bunch of information about myself.
I enter it all in and because it decides I have mistyped something I have to try again. Of course it has cleared out most of what I typed.
I try (typing) the right stuff in 5 times and it just keeps clearing things out for me to type them in again.
So after more than an hour of craziness and making my programs list garbage and being scared and seeing that Microsoft.com is a terrible website I haven’t run Moviemaker and I haven’t got the plus package.
The lack of attention to usability represented by these experiences blows my mind. I thought we had reached a low with Windows Network places or the messages I get when I try to use 802.11. (don’t you just love that root certificate message?)
When I really get to use the stuff I am sure I will have more feedback.
That was more than a decade ago. Gates has obviously matured since then, and he’s no longer in charge, but if he brings even a fraction of that attitude to his new role as technical adviser, it would at least keep Microsoft’s product teams on their toes.
After we published the memo, it became an instant classic, leading to a dramatic reading by KIRO Radio’s Dave ross, and even providing the basis for what became the most popular moment in recent history of NPR’s “Wait, Wait … Don’t Tell Me.” (Yes, they wrongly credited Mac Daily News for the scoop. Darn you, Peter Sagal!)
I asked Gates about the memo during an interview in 2008, and he said he sent memos like that every day. “That’s my job,” he said.
During his final speech before leaving the company back then, Gates mentioned the memo and the interview, “One of the newspapers had some e-mail that I sent about how maybe Windows could have been better at something, and they said, ‘This is a shocking e-mail. Shocking!’ And I said, ‘What do you think I do all day? Sending an e-mail like that, that is my job. That’s what it’s all about. We’re here to make things better.”
Off-topic: Vivaldi needs to fix the [ quote ] function.