Open letter to Jon concerning M3

[Ayespy]

@ravents To the degree that permanent local copies of emails remain important for business and regulatory reasons, I suspect that having an email client will remain important to a segment of users. As it happens, there is a broad intersection between users who need a local client and users who benefit from a browser like Vivaldi.

I am less pessimistic than you are concerning the ultimate relevance of M3, whenever it appears. That said, it's my feeling that M3 is not a year away, given its current state. I use it as my default email client for the most part, and only need to look elsewhere for about two (count 'em, 2) functions on which I personally rely heavily in my work.

[LonM]

@ayespy Out of curiosity, (feel free to not answer if I'm being too nosy ) what 2 function can Vivaldi+m3 not provide?

[Ayespy]

@lonm They are just normal email functions that every client has, but are not finished for M3 yet. They will be included in the first release, I'm sure.

The thing with email clients, as I have mentioned here and elsewhere before, is that they are deceptively complex. They combine hundreds of functions that people just take for granted because "this is what email does," but when you go to actually build a client from the ground up, as is necessary in this case, you eventually realize that an email client is at least as complex and work-intensive as a browser. Vivaldi has like 5 people working on email if I recall right, and another client I used to follow, Mailbird, had a development team of 10 or better, (they are a pay-for client, which released its first version two years before Vivaldi put out its first technical preview), and still isn't "done." To speed their progress they hold regular "hackathons" inviting coders from everywhere to contribute code. Worse still, Mailbird started with Thunderbird's base code right out of the box - all of the base functionality was there at the start. Still, the Vivaldi client had some of its features before mailbird had the same ones. So if 10 people can take 5 1/2 years building on an existing code base and not finish, I think it's remarkable that M3 is as close as it is starting from scratch after about 3 1/2 years with our little-bitty team.

Off my soapbox now.

[mib2berlin]

Hi, I am looking forward M3 but ...
As I am looking for a new client after M2 I change to Evolution and now to Kontact on Linux and realize I need now a groupware client not only an email client.
Calendar, Notes, Address and Email client synced on all devices and so forth.
Will Vivaldi and M3 support this too?
I saw Calendar in Vivaldi some time ago but was not functional.

Cheers, mib

[Ayespy]

@mib2berlin Notes is already synced. Calendar will be finished and syncable. Contacts are included in M3 and should be syncable. Email, being IMAP, is of course automatically the same on all devices.

Since I am using a GMail account on M3, my contacts are already the same everywhere.

[mib2berlin]

@ayespy
Thank you for this information!
It make it even harder to wait for M3, lol.

Cheers, mib

[ROTFL]

@ayespy said in Open letter to Jon concerning M3:

Notes is already synced.

Only half-way

@ayespy said in Open letter to Jon concerning M3:

Calendar will be finished and syncable. Contacts are included in M3 and should be syncable.

I hope for some kind of integration with Google calendar...
And I dream about Android phonebook / calendar integration in case of mobile V version. Or maybe just standalone sync provider for my phone that could backup my phonebook at Vivaldi cloud.

[Folgore101]

@ayespy said in Open letter to Jon concerning M3:

@mib2berlin Notes is already synced. Calendar will be finished and syncable. Contacts are included in M3 and should be syncable. Email, being IMAP, is of course automatically the same on all devices.

Since I am using a GMail account on M3, my contacts are already the same everywhere.

Hi ayespy, i do not know if you can answer but i have a few questions about M3:

1 - Doing the translation in Italian i noticed that you talk about "Mailing List", is the same thing as the old M2 as the following image? If so, can you disable it completely?

2 - From what i understand now only works with IMAP, there is the possibility of saving locally the emails by deleting them but leaving them on the server?
The K9 Mail program for Android, putting a check on a setting, allows this behavior and I think it is very convenient because you would have the advantages of the two protocols, IMAP and POP3, i think very convenient.

[Kobi]

Ancient topic, but as a gamer I like basic and light Software, I hate Software filled with bloatware which wastes resources in the background (especially when I'm playing something).

I been hearing talks about a Vivaldi Mail Client, I don't know anything about it, but I'm hoping it wont be included in the browser (and if it is, I would like an option during install to not included it).

This is 2018, not 2006, Cloud and Web Applications is where everyone is focusing, having a local Mail Client doesn't fit.

As long as you make all the bloat optional during install, I couldn't care less if you even add a Calculator on the browser, just give us the option to have a basic browser.

//MODEDIT: moved the post here from this thread

[pafflick]

@kobi I have moved your post here, because the topic you replied to was about games in specific, not about the mail client. I think it's a more appropriate place since this is one of the most popular and recent threads concerning the built-in e-mail client. If you feel that your comment belongs elsewhere, let me know.

Now, regarding what you said about the built-in e-mail client - it is in the works. It's been since the start of the project (first Technical Previews of Vivaldi even used to have the Mail & Contacts panels, informing about the mail client coming to Vivaldi at some point). Many of us are eagerly waiting for this.

Vivaldi is not about following the "latest trends" to simplify (or "stupiditify") everything - like Chrome does, for example. I think they're aiming at making a feature-rich browser, and that's why many of us are here. If I'd prefer a lightweight, simple browser with no extra features, I wouldn't be here. I don't mean that they should make a heavy, bloated browser with gazillions of features that I'll never use. It's just that as a power user, I want my browser to have a little bit more functionality than just simply rendering the web pages.

As for the e-mail client - I hate web apps. They're the worst possible way to use e-mail for me. The e-mail client is pretty handy in this regard - it runs in the background, all e-mails are in one place, I don't have to use 8 different apps to handle each one of my 14 e-mail addresses and I don't have to remember to open or login into any websites just to check e-mail. I know that for some people using web apps is more convenient, but everyone is different. For me, it's totally counter-productive.

Right now I'm still using an old, outdated browser that used to have a built-in e-mail client (Opera 12). It's no longer supported, so I need to switch to something newer. For me, the built-in e-mail client in Vivaldi is a must have.

[Kobi]

@pafflick Vivaldi is famous for giving the users choice, and I'll move away from Vivaldi if I never get the choice to remove the bloat (which will be around the time the so called Mail Client will be released).

[luetage]

@kobi I'm pretty sure if you don't actively use the inbuilt mail client, the only change you will notice is a little more space occupied on your SSD or hard drive, but no change in RAM or CPU usage (and this is what most people would call bloat). No reason to jump ship imo.

[pafflick]

@kobi I forgot to mention that you could post your idea of creating a "lite" version of Vivaldi in the Feature Request forum (mind the rules, please - thank you in advance). I'm not sure if I'm in favour of such "light" versions of a software, but overall I don't think it's a bad idea to have one.

Moreover, just as @luetage said if you don't use a feature (and it's disabled) you probably won't notice any difference.

[Ayespy]

@folgore101 The state and configurability of mailing lists is somewhat in flux.

[Folgore101]

@ayespy Ok, thank you.

[schreck]

maybe someone feels obliged to post some news from development here?

[kahukura]

@schreck It is being tested by the Sopranos but not yet ready for Prime Time to my knowledge.

[Ayespy]

@schreck M3 continues to improve, and I use it daily.

[saudiqbal]

Hopefully the next build will have M3, its been a long time now.

[Ayespy]

@saudiqbal It will not be in the next build. How long "it's been" is irrelevant. How ready it is, is totally relevant. It's not ready.