Ask me anything: Jon von Tetzchner speaks to the community

  • @dantesoft where to start to fix other peoples websites…

    The next thing will be a forced drops to insecure connections for the MP3 files.
    manual secured feeds.soundcloud.cominsecure redirect (1)
    manual secured → drop to insecure version (2)
    redirected to insecure (3) although server handles https requests perfectly.

  • Hats off to @Ayespy. I can hear sometimes Jon is (rightfully) a bit getting defensive when being asked by--uh,inquisitive--community questions, and you're the who get to ask those questions and faced Jon's reaction. Regardless, both you and Jon executed this AMA well.

    Anyway, I'm happy my question got picked up, but too bad some part are left-off:

    HI Jon, when do you plan to make Vivaldi open-source (as in the development model, not only source-readable? you seem to care a lot about open-internet, open-standard, can you please enlighten us why are you so keen on keeping Vivaldi proprietary so far?

    it is nothing new that Vivaldi is source-readable; what about going open-source legitimately? Jon claims that Vivaldi is the most open compared to others.. but that sounds a bit.. diplomatic.

    Let's get specific: when would the community can actually submit patch, and the development of code (feature decision/public bug tracker) are made public? like Chromium or Firefox currently are.

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    @whizzwr There are no current plans, as far as I know, (and I did ask Jon about this in another setting) to take the company "open source" as in one of the many kinds of open-source development style licenses, at this time. Jon is always keeping options in mind, but at this time, to invite outsider participation and/or give away the rights to control the development path would not be compatible with the company's business philosophy. Never say never, but at present such a move would make more problems for the company than it would solve.

    That said, users patch the code and share their patches on the forums with some regularity. Only one user patch has to date been accepted into the authorized code, though.

  • @ayespy: I see, then it's a pretty clear standpoint from Vivaldi SA, at least for now. Community patch is a good start, but it's a parallel of what Jon and you discussed about Vivaldi and chromium codebase: it'd in vain if these community patches don't go upstream as authorized code.

    Going full open-source does not necessarily translate into relinquishing the rights to control the development path. Cathedral development model is a thing, AFAIK. It's not that every patch will be admitted immediately, but a working, transparent system would be cool.

    In any case, I tend to agree staying proprietary is perfectly reasonable path for Vivaldi from business standpoint (considering amount of capital, team number, etc), but I can't help but to find it at odd with Jon's self advertisement of being open, open internet, open standard, but not really.. open development. Particularly when Vivaldi wants to compete against other browser giants, which happen to be all open-source.

    And finally as a user I appreciate you guys is quite open to community's tough questions. Go Vivaldi!

  • @jonmc said in Ask me anything: Jon von Tetzchner speaks to the community:

    @stardust: Updated the permissions for these tracks now on our Soundcloud - download away! :)

    Cool! Thanks

  • OK, I'm still a newbie with Vivaldi, but I'm coming around pretty fast and have almost weaned myself off the Firefox snail.

    I'd like to do the same with Thunderbird which shares a lot of the Firefox sluggishness. There are two main extensions that I depend on that I think might even be useful to enough users to warrant inclusion in the mail app itself.

    One is called: "use BCC Instead". If the number of "To" recipients to a message exceeds a threshold you specify, they are all changed to "BCC" as a privacy measure.

    The second is very useful to people who work with multiple email accounts. It lets you associate a specific sending account (address) with individual users.

    This eliminates the embarrassment of sending an email to an ex-coworker, (10 years my senior) a message identified as coming from "GrandPa", which I use for messages to my three granddaughters.

    Another feature lets you manually sort your mail folders. But this also would be better built-in than as an add-on or extension.

    This may not be the best way to submit a suggestion, but I didn't find anything that looks more appropriate yet.


  • nevermind

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    @joehunter Create a new thread for each request in the Feature Requests sub-forum.

    They are great ideas and if you post them there the team can keep track of it.

    Also, start the thread name with [mail] and add a "mail" tag to them, this way you can easily point it's a request for the mail client.

  • 1 dollar per user per year? I'm happy to subscribe for 5 or 10 dollars a year, and I'm poor.

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    @chenyf I think most of us Vivaldi fans would happily subscribe $5 or $10, but it would not make a huge difference.

    There are currently about 100,000 registered users of the forum, and apparently over 200,000 with a account, but users with more than 1 post to their name are few — about 11,000. I doubt if even 1,000 would end up subscribing. Although $10,000 is not to be sniffed at, it would not pay the wages of one developer.

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