Solved Drag and Drop in Download Panel

[cehojac]

@LonM said in Drag and Drop in Download Panel:

vivaldi://downloads

Thanks is a good alternative, but... is really complicated drag and drop from the default vivaldi's download panel?

will a great feature for the last version

[LonM]

@cehojac I've done some work with drag and drop before. It's certainly not the most difficult task, but it is very tricky to do it correctly.

[cehojac]

I understand. but please will considerated a feature for last versions?

[LonM]

@cehojac It's certainly under consideration.

As mentioned earlier in the topic, this is on the internal roadmap, but there's no planned date yet.

[mrhat]

@LonM said in Drag and Drop in Download Panel:

Create a new web panel, with this address: vivaldi://downloads.
It might take a bit of fiddling to find a good panel width (Right click the panel icon > check separate width, then drag the panel edge to resize). But then this internal page will allow you to drag items.

I did this but each item is obnoxiously large. It only fits 4 and the normal downloads panel can fit 11. Is there some way to resize those?

[tharsim]

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[DeAtH19754]

Been almost a year and still nothing yikes

[BoneTone]

@DeAtH19754 I'm guessing the reason it's not yet implemented is because there are so many other things the (very small) Vivaldi dev can spend their time on that bring much more value to the browser. This is more of a nice to have as there's no broken functionality, and the workaround is exceedingly simple that it presents very little friction to a user's workflow.

Instead of drag & drop from the downloads panel, one can just right-click & choose Show in File Manager. The user doesn't even have to spend any effort looking for the file, it's already selected, and therefore highlighted drawing attention. At which point the user just uses drag & drop as it is shown in the animation in the OP. So it's that one little extra step and users can drop the file onto the webpage, without having to know where in the file system the file is, or trying to find it in a list of hundreds of files -- all that pain is avoided. Right-clicking & choosing the 2nd item in the list is very easy as well.

It's not ideal, sure, but it's also not a significant pain point once you understand that's available. So users currently gain a lot more by having the devs focus on other tasks.

[grabAbyte]

[...] This is more of a nice to have as there's no broken functionality, and the workaround is exceedingly simple that it presents very little friction to a user's workflow. [...]

That may apply to you personally, but here I ask you to think outside the box.

From a productivity perspective, for example when working with cloud based ERP software in which many files have to be downloaded daily for further processing, this lack of drag-and-drop capability is an absolute productivity killer.

The vast majority of programs for further processing support the opening of files by drag-and-drop. In a multi-monitor setup, this saves a lot of time instead of having to right click & choose the downloaded file or to open the 'open file' dialog in a desktp-app and then browse through the paths and folders.

With a little bit of imagination you can find an almost infinite number of workflows where the feature would save a lot more time.
Using the chrome tab as a workaround is halfway there, but it just looks damn ugly.

Why gloss over the compromise solution? All other relevant browsers offer this basic feature for the longest time.
To call this basic functionality a nice-to-have feature, I can only disagree extraordinarily.

[Pesala]

@grabAbyte However much you want it, it us unlikely to happen soon for the reasons already stated, and the solution is already very simple.

1. Click the magnifying glass icon in the Downloads Panel
2. Drag and drop from Windows Explorer.

In my screen shot there is only one file (which is automatically selected on opening Explorer), but even if you download dozens or hundreds of files, how is using Windows Explorer any less convenient than using the Downloads Panel? It is just one click away.

It is a very old issue. Look at the bug number VB-13976 posted by @CheVe11e_191. Current bugs are over 70,000.

[grabAbyte]

To make my last post more clear: It is not that I expect this feature soon, nor am I super desperate about it. When it comes to work productivity I prefer other Browsers. This has nothing to do with the current state of development of Vivaldi.
It has a rather low priority in the dev team - I did understand that the first time.

In fact I fully understand and agree that the Vivaldi team has more important issues to solve and that there are always some higher priority critical bugs.

Nevertheless I still stand by my opinion that this issue could have been given higher priority compared to some other gimmicks. No more no less i wanted to express.

However I find it rather strange that people are fobbing off questions about the status or new arguments and perspectives for this topic repeatedly with a half-baked workaround solution and subliminally signaling that they should go silent and be happy with the workaround.
Furthermore questioning the request itself.
According to the number of votes so far, the request belongs to the top 5 in the panel category. The topic is not unknown outside the Vivaldi forum either.
If you are okay with the workaround, good for you. No need to questioning the need of this established feature request.

[BoneTone]

accidental submit, still writing... edit coming soon.

[Athakaspen]

I really do hope this gets addressed soon, as it's my only consistent annoyance with Vivaldi at the moment. I remember when I first got Vivaldi and discovered I couldn't drag & drop from the downloads panel, I was really surprised and it almost turned me off of the browser entirely. It just felt so unpolished (completely unlike the rest of the experience, as I soon found) and it made me worried that the rest of the browser would lack basic features like this. I seriously think this could make new users give up on Vivaldi before experiencing all the other great things it can do.

[Pesala]

Since this incarnation of the feature requests forum opened and even before that, I have been following the implementation of feature requests closely. People often ask, “Why hasn't this been done yet? It is so basic in a browser.”

I asked Jón about their decision making process in this live chat not long ago.

It is not just a matter of votes, and what seems useless to some users is regarded as essential to others.

The way I see it, there is no benefit at all in getting frustrated by the lack of some feature that you want. One must be pragmatic and use a workaround until it is implemented. As users, all we can do is suggest workarounds. This is not an attempt to fob off any request; it is just a reality check.

[Priest72]

@Pesala Problem is if too may features are implemented then an accusation of bloat and feature creep would ensue..catch-22 situation really.

[BH9]

I really do hope this gets implemented sometime. It's the only reason we still use google chrome for some tasks.
As an example: We use woocommerce as a store, gmail, whatsapp and telegram for most communication. Several times a day we have to download order pdf's/csv's, reports, etc from woocommerce and attach them to email or send via whatsapp/telegram web. In Chrome this is as simple and download, switch the tab, drag what you just download into the email/chat.
While the workaround for Vivaldi to open explorer works: 1) it's an extra unnecessary step (imo), 2) the explorer window often pops up right in the way of where you need to drag the file to. 3) as we download so many files and need to keep copies, we archive our downloads folders monthly, but from mid to the end of the month with so many files in the downloads folder, windows always takes a few seconds to reorder the files after the folder opens. So you can't just click and drag the file as it suddenly jumps from being at the bottom to being at the top, so you have to wait for it to move position before grabbing it. It's another delay.

I love Vivaldi but this is the only thing that keeps us using chrome. To put into some form of how much time would be wasted: 20 downloads per day (probably far more, depends what orders are in) x (2 seconds to open explorer + 3 seconds for it to reorganise + 3 seconds to move the explorer window) = 160 seconds a day. This gives us 2 mins 40 secs per day x 20 working days in a month = 53 mins 20 secs per month, per employee that would be wasted. It may seem like a simple thing to just use a workaround, but for us the workaround is a browser that allows drag and drop downloads.
(I've ignored the time to drag the file, switch tabs, etc as this has to happen anyway).

This isn't meant as a negative towards those who've suggested the workaround (I'm glad it works for some) or those who advise it's low priority for the devs. It's just an explanation on why the workaround isn't a good fit for us and why we still use another browser until it's implement in Vivaldi.

So we're back to: I do hope this get implment in the future.

[BoneTone]

@BH9 said in Drag and Drop in Download Panel:

This gives us 2 mins 40 secs per day

Your employees spend more time per day spacing out staring at the downloads list. Do you really think you're optimizing your employees work habits on the order of 160 seconds per day, 3 seconds at a time? They kill more of the company's time playing games on their phones in the bathroom, or smoking a cigarette. If a product was truly the best option for the staff due to other efficiencies, and there was one issue which cost less than 11 hours per year, that's a very minor cost.

Thank you for the math demonstrating just how trivial an issue this is. I use Vivaldi because it's best for me. It's not best for everybody, no browser is. For me, the myriad workflows that Vivaldi enables that Chrome does not saves me far more than 11 hours per year. If Vivaldi doesn't provide the same benefits to your employees, I would question the idea of putting them on the browser in the first place. Really, I'd let them use whatever browser they were most comfortable with, and the whole concept of compounding the time becomes irrelevant.

If you're standardizing your workforce to all use the same browser, then what are the reasons for choosing Vivaldi in the first place? Presumably because it enables far more efficient workflows, and I would hope the gains are far in excess of 11 hours per year if you're making people use a niche browser that the vast majority of them have probably never even heard of.

If it's just some tasks that you use Chrome for, but generally prefer Vivaldi, I think you're in the majority. Most of us probably have several browsers on our systems & we reach for the tool that suits the job at the time. I've got half a dozen browsers on my workstation. Vivaldi is my daily driver because, as I mentioned above, it's more efficient for the ways I like to work -- much more efficient. The ways are too numerous to list. But there are some things I pull up either Chrome, Firefox or Edge to do.

I spend more than 11 hours per year taking naps in the office.

Decades ago when I tracked time for billing purposes the smallest increment was 6 minutes. 160 seconds isn't even half of that. We literally couldn't even track a loss of time that small, and that's after you've compounded many many multiples of less time than a sip of water takes. No business is tracking human efficiencies that tiny.

[dodger]

Wait in 2025.

[Carnage017]

Agreed, as an email marketer, it's a hassle to have to go looking for images in the windows explorer when other browsers provide this feature...

I didn't want to abandon Vivaldi, It might seem like such a worthless feature from afar, but it's a critical functionality that saves us a hella time!

[VasiliSks]

Just registered to vote this feature up! Finally found a modern browser after palemoon and its missing such a simple feature!