Why does every release by the Opera devs refuse to honor the taskbar autohide/show convention?



  • As usual, if you set task bar to autohide Vivaldi just plain will not show the taskbar. This is such a ludicrously easy fix it just boggles the mind that it is an issue over and over and over again for these developers. It makes the product unusable for folks that do a lot of multitasking--I'm speaking for myself and the entirety of the small office where I work. And it's the browser we'd all prefer to use. But considering that it took them -years- to address it last time it looks like Vivaldi is off the table for us. Please. Please. Do not flout common conventions like this. Your product should not be interfering with the basic functionality of the OS it installs to and its a simple layer ordering fix. Why does this happen time after time for you guys? It's the only browser that family that behaves this way and its obnoxious.



  • I can't reproduce this. Taskbar auto-hide still functions perfectly for me.



  • I'm not getting that problem with Win 8.1 Vivaldi 1.0138.4 32bit.



  • I think you mean Vivaldi devs? ;)



  • Why do the whiners think that insulting the developers will get things fixed?

    IIRC this issue affected Opera 12 for ever, and still does. If/when it occurs, just press the Windows key to show the task bar, which fixes it until the next time.

    It's a ludicrously easy workaround for a trivial issue.



  • Frankly I never faced the problem you are speaking about, either with Opera or Vivaldi.



  • Enter Fullscreen mode, then close it. This is guaranteed to cause the problem in Opera 12.17.

    I have seen it in Vivaldi too, but as I said it's very easy to fix. Just press the Windows key to show the task bar.



  • @Pesala:

    Enter Fullscreen mode, then close it. This is guaranteed to cause the problem in Opera 12.17.

    No, just tried, O12 is still working perfectly for me (o12.17 x64 on win 8.1 x64)

    Just guessing…. Maybe something related to HW acceleration and so VGA driver dependent ?



  • Pesala wrote:
    Enter Fullscreen mode, then close it. This is guaranteed to cause the problem in Opera 12.17.

    That's not the case with me, just tried it. I had more problems with auto-hide taskbar with Opera Blink, it seemed to be a random thing even then, perhaps it depends on the OS. Clicking on the Windows key takes one to the Start Page with Win 8.1.



  • @Rainspa:

    Clicking on the Windows key takes one to the Start Page with Win 8.1.

    Not for most of the people who use it.

    Never heard about classic shell, startisback and so on ? ;)


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    @Rainspa:

    Pesala wrote:
    Enter Fullscreen mode, then close it. This is guaranteed to cause the problem in Opera 12.17.

    That's not the case with me, just tried it. I had more problems with auto-hide taskbar with Opera Blink, it seemed to be a random thing even then, perhaps it depends on the OS. Clicking on the Windows key takes one to the Start Page with Win 8.1.

    Not here. But then I have Classic Shell installed.



  • First of all, while Vivaldi and Opera are technically two entities, the staff and design teams have a lot of overlap. Vivaldi is founded by the founder of Opera and brought staff over.
    Second, I'm not insulting anyone, I'm bringing attention to a persistent issue because I believe that they are miles ahead of Mozilla and Microsoft and its design flaws like this that prevent them from gaining market traction that they so richly deserve. It's a quirk that significantly changes how things work in terms of daily function and like Windows 8 that spells a quick death on growth in IT departments in corporate environments, and its this demographic that casts a disproportionate shadow on market growth and growth potential. You fail there, your browser is destined for decimal to single digit percentiles. It's just how it goes.

    For me, on Windows 7 x64, Windows 8 x64, and Windows 10 x64, hitting the start menu key does not solve the problem, and it never did in Opera either. It shows the taskbar briefly but the behavior persists.
    This was eventually fixed in Opera but it took them literally two years. It's not an engineering hurdle, it's an easy fix. Browser should not be overriding the essential operating system functions. No other browser functions this way because it is obstructive to multitasking and productivity oriented use.



  • @ The_Solutor & Ayespy

    I've heard of Classic Shell and the like but never really considered them, I've just taken a look, perhaps I should have checked it out before, never been keen on that Start Page.



  • @Rainspa:

    @ The_Solutor & Ayespy

    I've heard of Classic Shell and the like but never really considered them, I've just taken a look, perhaps I should have checked it out before, never been keen on that Start Page.

    I Started to use Classic Shell well before Win 8 was even mentioned somewhere.

    Mainly because is way more configurable than the stock vista/seven start menu.

    I like the functions of Win7 menu but I prefer to have the cascading all programs section.

    Also, with classic shell, I can have the reboot button even on remote sessions, which is very important for me.


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    Without Classic Shell, I don't think I could use Windows 8. It is a UI which seems to be specifically designed to keep one from getting anything done.



  • I've encountered problems with the taskbar not showing when set to autohide with pretty much every Chromium-based browser at some point. And last I've heard, it's supposed to actually be a Chromium bug.



  • It's an opera bug. Appeared sometime in 2013 iirc, and not fixed until
    http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/changelog23/#b1522.75

    I've never seen it in another browser but it looks like for a short while Chrome had this bug as well.
    If it is a chromium bug, this wouldn't still be happening because this is not an issue anymore outside of Vivaldi. Unless maybe they are building on an old base?

    For those not seeing the bug, are you running in a maximized window?



  • What do you mean "it's an Opera bug"? If it was an Opera bug, how would it be relevant in any way to Vivaldi? Vivaldi is not Opera, they don't share bugs (unless it's a bug affecting the Blink engine in general).

    Also when I say that I've encountered this problem, what I mean is closer to "one in hundred times I've ran that browser, I've seen that happen". Including Vivaldi. Currently tested it in both Win 7 x64 and Win 8.1 x64, taskbar on autohide, maximized browser Window and no problems whatsoever.



  • They share a code base and are developed by many of the same people… and a bug that has been fixed in Opera after the split shows up in Vivaldi...
    I'm using Windows 10 and it occurs 100% of the time the window is maximized. It happens as well on 7 and 8 but I did not do any focused testing so I can't say how often or under what circumstances it is replicable there. Just noticed that it was happening.



  • I'm running Windows 7, and I almost always only have the window maximized. I've never once had this problem with Vivaldi, and I cannot remember ever having it with Opera. I have had this problem with Sleipnir and Google Chrome. I'm sure the others are right when they say it is simply a Chromium bug.


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