Solved Sessions Panel
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@roti While you wait for it to be implemented, you can try this one: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/28102/advanced-panels-mod-with-sessions-panel?page=1
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This mod is cool, but does not fulfill the main requirement:
Automatically update the currently opened session. If I open a session, and open/close a tab, it should update that session automatically. I do not want to save it by hand.There is a mod, autosaving current session, but it creates a new session in every 5 minutes, so this is not the same:
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/33047/autosave-sessions-modBy looking at the vivaldi source code for sessions, we are not able to get the signals to reflect to (windows close, window open ...), therefore we cannot update the current session on the fly with mods.
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I'm not an expert on sessions but i miss the behavior you want, if the session automatically updates (at what time?) then how does he know the tabs you want to keep? Do you never close all tabs but close the browser directly? Do you always open one session at a time?
Have you tried the extensions?
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This would be the ideal step by step operation:
- open vivaldi
- last selected session is active by default, e.g.: 'travel' with 10 tabs
- I continue my session, do some search, open 3 tabs, and close 1 tab ... etc
- every change should be automatically update the current session, without any further manual step, as I always want to store all the currently active tabs with their state
- change to session 'todos 1'
- 'todos 1' session is loaded in the current window
- I continue this session, do some worg, open/close tbas
- every change should be automatically update the current session, without any further manual step
- change back to session 'travel'
- this session should load immediatelly, because the previous session is only "hidden", so opening it should happen instantly
- I continue this session, do some worg, open/close tbas
- every change should be automatically update the current session, without any further manual step
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It does not matter if I open a session in a new window, or in the current one.
Problem with the extensions:
- tabs outliner:
When I close a session (or window), and open it, I will open the tabs once again in the current window, e.g. from 10 tabs, I will have 20, for the next time 30 ...
All the open/close operation will behave like a brand new vivaldi startup with "long" time and high cpu. - toby
I can create collections of my tabs, but if I open a collection, it will open the tabs next to the current
The others that I have tried simply not doing the job.
So still FF and 'panorama tab groups' is the only one doing the job right.
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@roti Thanks for the explanation, i'll try it out with FireFox.
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So are we ever going to get this? Sessions is a nice feature in Vivaldi and it being tucked in deep in the menus is kinda sad.
With a dedicated panel it could easily be used as one of the main features, it fits perfectly with Vivaldi's "philosophy".I hope to see this as soon as possible
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@ROTFL Totally agreed！
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Subbed to this thread.
I was talking about the same idea in the Tab Groups thread.Sessions Panel can probably be an extension of the existing Window panel.
It already has "current session" and "closed stuff". It can also list other sessions as root level nodes.
(Idea for another improvement: Vertical split view or "accordion" can make it easier to drag and drop tabs between large sessions.)The next step would be to let bind windows to sessions.
I don't necessarily like the idea of switching sessions within a window. Being able to open a separate session window without even touching the current one seems more appealing to me.Under Windows 10, Vivaldi can make use of the taskbar feature - list the sessions in the context menu. The same way I open projects in IDEs.
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My vote would be for sessions to go on the existing "Window Panel", there would be an icon for each session/tab group/workspace and then you could just switch between them.
See Opera's new workspace feature: https://www.opera.com/features/workspaces I think it would be great to have this same functionality
And currently I barely ever click on anything in the existing window panel, so for me sessions in the window panel would be much more efficient use of this space.
And if you want to "one-up" opera then make the sessions/workspaces optionally separate containers (like firefox containers)
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I imagined dragging tabs between sessions shown as columns (as if they are cards in Trello or similar board).
I liked this idea a lot.
If there ever going to be a full view for Windows/Sessions (in addition to side panel) - it better be like this.
Having columns in parallel is much more convenient to drag stuff between them compared to root nodes in a tree of the side panel.(Although having tab groups makes the analogy to card stacks incomplete. Each column will have to have a tree inside, as the Window panel currently does.)
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V had something special with sessions, but now it looks pretty clunky and underdeveloped when you compare to the Collections in Edge. Losing ground, and some or all of the bullet list here would regain the lead.
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@roti said in Sessions Panel:
mod, autosaving current session, but it creates a new session in every 5 minutes
A few days ago i deployed this, & @LonM kindly added some more cool tweaks to it. I also deployed the associated Advanced Panels mod. They are working great.
As for the
5'objection you raised, the user can easily tweak this shorter or longer. Yes i get your point that it's still a time-based not activity-based trigger, but c'mon, really... under what usage scenario would you not be able to recover from some crisis crash by loading your session from 5' [or 4/3/2/1'] ago, aided if necessary with the trashcan [+ your memory]? -
I've been looking for editable sessions for years, but never came to vivaldi
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Nice feature. It will be cool if developers implement two types of sessions. One type, as implemented now, when session with all tabs are unloaded and saved. And the second kind, when the user does not want to unload the tabs, but need to free up space on the tab bar. In this case, opera and firefox workspaces are great. You can make shortcuts to spaces on the sidebar and quickly switch between them without opening the menu - fewer clicks more productivity and speed. Yes, Vivaldi has a grouping of tabs, but sometimes workspaces are more convenient.
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@molex said in Sessions Panel:
And the second kind, when the user does not want to unload the tabs, but need to free up space on the tab bar.
Why not just move them to a new window?
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@Pesala Probably, I will not give serious arguments. But workspaces are just easier to use in some work scenarios. Another plus for me is the ability to save space on the windows taskbar - I use wide tiles and don't always want to open an additional window. Another small advantage is the ability to avoid butthert when you accidentally closed the window (not close the browser with exit).
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@Pesala When you close all the opened windows, only the tabs from the last opened winow will re-open next time. The other window's tabs will lost.
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@roti If you Startup with the last session, all closed windows will be reopened. Use File, Exit, not the Window close button. If you want to save a set of tabs to reopen later, save it as a session.
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A kindly reminder that the current tab management in Vivaldi is terribly insufficient.
Sessions in their current state are stuck in the last century.
Other browsers at least trying to provide something more convenient. Although I'm yet to see a completely hassle-free and smooth workflow with live sessions.I don't want to save and reopen tabs - I want them just being where I left them when I need them. And don't stand in the way and don't waste resources when I don't need them. All without extra attention from my side and no risks to accidentally lose a session... (by closing something in a wrong way or forgetting to manually save something).
The damn thing is solved ages ago in the tools used to develop Vivaldi itself - IDEs have the concept of projects and keep each project state so we can get back to it without extra effort. Why it's so hard to understand the same thing for browsers?
(In fact, while writing this, Vivaldi (3.5.2088.7) is challenging my patience with totally broken tabs for almost a week already. Any emotional response is the result of this frustration. I hope something good is coming out of this. Don't disappoint me.)
We need better issue tracking. Proposal.
