Open-source Vivaldi



  • This is probably never going to happen but for the sake of completeness: Release Vivaldi as open-source.
    Open internet needs open browsers.

    ( And I am curious how often the goto statement is used by Vivaldi developers 🙂 )


  • Moderator

    I'll link it here (again for completeness' sake), the source of the chromium part of the codebase can be downloaded from here: https://vivaldi.com/source/?lang=en_US



  • This what Jon said on the topic:

    A few words about Open Source & Vivaldi

    February 19, 2016 3 comments
    I got a question from users while doing AMA on Twitter regarding the license of Vivaldi. I replied with a short answer due to Twitter’s character limitation but I thought I would post longer answer here.

    Our source code package is available here: vivaldi.com/source. This links to a copy of the Chromium source code with the changes we made to allow our HTML/CSS/JS UI to run.

    All our changes to Chromium source code are under a BSD license and hence can read by anyone. The details are explained in the the README and LICENSE files, within that package.

    In addition, all of our UI code (included in normal packages) is written in plain, readable text. This means that all parts of Vivaldi are full audit-able and open from that perspective.

    Posted in: Blog, Technology
    Tagged: browser, open source

    Posted by Jon von Tetzchner



  • I am aware that the main parts of Vivaldi are available in source. But will this continue to be the case? Will the (possibly available) email client also be available in source? Will you be able to use your own server for Vivaldi's upcoming synchronisation feature?

    My definition of open-source is also slightly larger. It additionally relates to the open development of a software. E.g. being able to see features commited to public repositories, checking out the most recent version of Vivaldi (at the moment, vivaldi.com/source does not list version 1.14), and also accepting contributions from the community.


  • Vivaldi Ambassador

    Vivaldi is Open Source, but not GPL or free soft. Do not confuse these concepts. Open Source does not mean more than the Source Code is available, but not necessarily that it is also free to create another browser for another company, but if it is free so that the user can create a Vivaldi based on this source code to your size or suggest codes to improve its operation for other users.
    .



  • @catweazle This feature request is not about dumping Vivaldi's source code once in a while, it is about developing Vivaldi in the open.

    I would like to see Vivaldi developed in a public repository (what about https://github.com/vivaldi ?), where people are able to fetch the current state of development any time and are able to submit contributions that can be discussed in public.


  • Vivaldi Ambassador

    @christian-rauch said in Open-source Vivaldi:

    @catweazle This feature request is not about dumping Vivaldi's source code once in a while, it is about developing Vivaldi in the open.

    I would like to see Vivaldi developed in a public repository (what about https://github.com/vivaldi ?), where people are able to fetch the current state of development any time and are able to submit contributions that can be discussed in public.

    This may one day come true, but for now Vivaldi has some unique features that other companies would like, Google with Chrome first.
    Vivaldi being still a fairly new browser that also wants its share of the market, completely releasing its code would be suicide.
    It is understood therefore that Jon at the moment wants to safeguard his inventions



  • @catweazle
    Soo, we just have to help Vivaldi kill Chrome and Firefox, and then it can safely become free software?
    Got it. Will recommend it to all the people.



  • Contributions are usually welcome, it's already happened (on github)
    Vivaldi chromium patches if found are checked up from devs and merged if/when possible 🙂



  • I will use Vivialdi if it was open source. I do not trust a web browser that is closed source. I need to be guarantee that I a not being spyed on by Vivaldi. This is a good browser and I like the development that is put into it. Many major browser are open source such as Chromium, Brave and Firefox to name a few. This is really my only request I want from Vivaldi.


  • Moderator

    @trymeout You can audit the entire Code of Vivaldi, start to finish, to ensure you are not being spied upon. "Open Source" is a guarantee of nothing, other than the ability to copy and branch. There is nothing hidden about Vivaldi code. Nothing. You just don't have a license to convert it to your own use.


  • Vivaldi Ambassador

    @trymeout said in Open-source Vivaldi:

    I will use Vivialdi if it was open source. I do not trust a web browser that is closed source. I need to be guarantee that I a not being spyed on by Vivaldi. This is a good browser and I like the development that is put into it. Many major browser are open source such as Chromium, Brave and Firefox to name a few. This is really my only request I want from Vivaldi.

    Vivaldi is OpenSource, but it has multiple licenses, not a unified one and has some patented codes. That is, you can see, download and modify the code for personal use. Vivaldi is OSS, but not FOSS.
    https://help.vivaldi.com/article/is-vivaldi-open-source/
    https://vivaldi.com/en/source/


  • Moderator

    Some parts of browser can no be inspected as source. So Vivaldi it is not fully open source.


  • Moderator

    I think Vivaldi will never become a 100%-open-source as the company needs to make money to pay rents, teams, servers. Vivaldi Technologies does not want others making money with the source of a full developed browser.


  • Vivaldi Ambassador

    I remember that Jon once said that this is why some codes have a patent, to avoid this, but not that they are closed codes, but that everything is open for audit.


  • Vivaldi Translator

    @Catweazle said in Open-source Vivaldi:

    Vivaldi is OpenSource

    It is not, by the definition of Open Source. Making source code visible to the public is not enough to make a project open source.

    (Relevant reference: The Open Source Definition)


  • Moderator

    @Komposten To the definition Vivaldi is not Open Source.
    https://opensource.org/osd-annotated


  • Vivaldi Ambassador

    @Gwen-Dragon said in Open-source Vivaldi:

    @Komposten To the definition Vivaldi is not Open Source.
    https://opensource.org/osd-annotated

    I know the definition of OpenSource, but having the code in sight for audit does not mean that it is not closed code either. This makes Vivaldi Freeware, but it does not justify claims of carrying suspicious codes, because if you have all the code in sight to check it, it is not the same as Chrome, if it is closed source and nobody outside Google knows it contains
    .This is why I prefer to use the definition of open source, but not free, although it does not fit the general definition. Vivaldi is a special case.
    There are other examples of some NASA programs, OpenSource, but limited for use in certain scientific and government centers.


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