Liberate Opera presto



  • Since Opera is not eager to open source the presto code but i read somewhere that if there was a buyer they would gladly sell it... I seriously doubt that anyone without a userbase would buy it and invest even more money to keep it alive... Why not buy it ourselves and opensource it? The engine with bsd/apache license and the rest with a more restrictive license like gpl or similare. We would have to have someone to negotiate the price with them and if the price would be reasonable we could start a funding campaign to collect donations. After that the final step would be to create a foundation to keep an eye over the code eventually gather founds for development(mozilla style). If the community behind opera presto is strong enough that could be feasible. There are a few softwares that got a second life after opening the source.



  • i would support it in the hopes that it leads to a worthy opera successor.



  • I think the 1st step would be to find out how much they are willing to sell it for.

    And then do a Kickstarter with a list of people willing to help out with it?



  • You'd also need to find out if Opera's even able to sell it, given the terms of existing contracts they have with other non-Opera Presto users. Even if there's only one such contract, it could foil any attempt to negotiate a sale. Also, keep in mind that Opera would certainly recognize that the obvious purpose of such a sale of Presto would be to bring about yet another competing browser… so they'd likely factor that into any decision and price as well.



  • It will never happen. It's part of their intellectual property and far too important for them to release or even sell unless they are completely abandoning the browser field.



  • Opera can't sell/give away Opera Presto source because it is used on some devices like TVs.
    They wont sell or give away their knowledge.

    You cant get it as OpenSource. Never.



  • Well until or if Opera ever gets their head out of their ass or there is a viable Opera 12 replacment I reccomedt everyone use Pale Moon browser. And if there are any coders out there willing to help with it it would be a good project to support.

    The author is sticking with the older Firefox and not the new garbage. There also seems to be a very good community there to help with any problems. The layout is very good.
    And it's fast as hell.



  • PaleMoon is a Firefox derivative. Tried it and it was not faster or in any point better than Firefox. (Same with Waterfox.)

    Here in Vatican City we are still using Opera 12.15. You can find it here:
    http://www.oldapps.com/opera.php
    Deus autem omnipotens benedicat Opera 12.15!


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    I personally like Maxthon. Presto code will never be released.



  • Not sure what the "new" garbage in Firefox 27 is supposed to be, but I rather like the browser. Seems to serve my needs, is fast and pretty much does what I want. I don't need to endlessly fiddle with my browser. As I mentioned elsewhere, I want it to get out of the way and be as simple as possible. So far, FF has appeared to do just that.



  • @loford:

    Here in Vatican City we are still using Opera 12.15. You can find it here:
    http://xxx
    Deus autem omnipotens benedicat Opera 12.15!

    [attachment=69]badnono.gif[/attachment] It is not necessary to link to 3rd-party-downloads if the original source is available. You find all Opera versions at opera.com. Amen.
    Attachments:



  • So why did all of my option buttons suddenly turn into German? Ice… you've ruined my experience here at Vivaldi.



  • I don´t know??? Must be a bug. np - I write a bug report to Shpankov. ;)
    Btw: To change back use the flags at the bottom of the side.



  • ● They will not allow it. They are too spiteful. :S They will cling to the "property" and not let it free. If they didn't allow Jon von Tetzchner to take over "My Opera", (even though they claimed they killed it, because they didn't have time and resources to manage it), they certainly would not let others use Presto. They are drowning, but they will go under the water clinging to Opera Presto.

    ● PaleMoon looks nice. Better than Firefox, but it doesn't support all Firefox extensions. Like "All-in-One Sidebar".
    I didn't check if it supports all the other ones that I use to make Firefox useful. I would certainly use PaleMoon if it offered more Opera 12 features. Now I'm waiting for Otter.

    BTW. It's nice to see that Vatican is also on the side of the real, old Opera 12. :)
    Opium 15+ is for the 'stupids' :woohoo: …lol...



  • @loford:

    PaleMoon is a Firefox derivative. Tried it and it was not faster or in any point better than Firefox. (Same with Waterfox.)

    Here in Vatican City we are still using Opera 12.15. You can find it here:
    http://www.oldapps.com/opera.php
    Deus autem omnipotens benedicat Opera 12.15!

    Now why dont you actually go DL the newest version of Pale Moon. You OBVIOUSLY have not done so. The speed is immediately noticable.
    Don't just spout crap without trying the latest version. Reviews of 24.3.2 are the exact opposite of your blither.

    @drozdman:

    PaleMoon looks nice. Better than Firefox, but it doesn't support all Firefox extensions. Like "All-in-One Sidebar".
    I didn't check if it supports all the other ones that I use to make Firefox useful. I would certainly use PaleMoon if it offered more Opera 12 features. Now I'm waiting for Otter.

    I just installed all in one sidebar in Pale moon 24.3.2 x64.
    It works



  • Not gonna happen, releasing it could severely undermine the adoption of Chromopera. In theory they could release only Presto (rendering engine), but without the desktop browser sources, the engine alone is not really any better than Webkit or Gecko.



  • @booBot:

    This is nothing more than a guess.

    It's a guess based on a fact that for them it would be only a minor PR benefit at the cost of undermining migration of Opera 12 users to their new product. It's against their current strategy.

    @booBot:

    This is a fantasy. I have no sympathy to their new management, but one should not demonise them unnecessarily. :)

    I'm not demonising, I'm just saying it's not in the interest of the company to release the source code of the desktop browser. It never really was, and now it's even less. It might happen when nobody will care anymore.

    @booBot:

    Engine is what makes a browser, browser.
    Without an engine no GUI code will help either.

    It's not only GUI code, it's all the desktop browser features - mail, notes, customization etc. On desktop it's the features that made Opera, not the rendering engine. Presto is not any more special than Blink or Gecko. They do the same thing, render pages. If anything, it's slower and less compatible. It's less memory hungry, but it doesn't matter that much anymore.



  • @booBot:

    If they think Presto/Caracan is impossible to support/develop - why be afraid of that threat to their Chropera?

    It's impossible for them to develop it, because they fired all the core developers and their desktop team works on another browser. Some open source people could take the code and at least prolong Opera 12 life by submitting patches and providing necessary maintenance. But prolonging Opera 12 life is not in the interest of Opera Software. The company is interested in people moving to their new product, not staying with the old one (especially if it's developed by someone else).



  • @booBot:

    We read that new Opera ASA management is about to drop the desktop browser altogether.

    Where did you read this?



  • To all the ney sayers… never say never :P Of course there are many unknowns but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

    With all the recent events opera lost a lot in my eyes. And i won't waist my time with there new product because there is no guarantee that in a year or two they won't dump the desktop browser... as they already starting to change focus. And i seriously doubt that they would make such a risky decision(browser change - because you can't call it engine change...) if there was no backup plan or other branches wouldn't be able to recompensate the losses of income.


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