Better Cookie Management

LonM

I was trying to make an extension to allow me to clear my ephemeral data in one click, but it seems the chrome extension API only lets you manage cookies in an advanced fashion and can't let you easily change local storage entries.

This is rather unfortunate, as I imagine that would make it more difficult for the Vivaldi developers to implement any kind of management of local storage alongside cookies.

Hadden89

@LonM Yup. Chrome APIs don't allow it to extensions. Most cookie blockers face this.
There are still two blockers in their bug tracker.
New Firefox (e10s) seems to have the same problem.
Would be really cool to have this in Vivaldi. But I imagine how it can be hard.
I don't even open cookie page anymore because is a collection of junk which is not very pratical to clean.

gml

@CheVe11e_191 What's the description of this issue in Jira pretty please?

This thread seems to cater all sorts of different wishes to improve how cookies are managed.

I'd like to add to this list the following wish:

Delete cookies older than a month or used or visited more than a month ago and only keep cookies being used on day to day basis.
Allow to delete all cookies, except some selected ones. Basically create a simple rule engine such as if this then than (IFTT) type of scenario to helps us manage them better.

It's annoying to close the browser and log in again in every site we use every day.

Or if you know a better behavior, please share...

Hadden89

@gml That's because is quite hard to re-implement to do what most users ask here at level browser; that VB is not even a real issue, it just (probably) contains the tips we ask here.

Personally, I keep all cookies and leave the cleaning up matter to CAD with the policy "keep whitelisted cookies + remove other ones every 20000sec" (about 333minutes).

Obiwan2208

One of the best was Vanilla Cookie Manager which (unsurprisingly) has been removed from the WebStore and archived on Github. I keep it by installing it from local.

Deletes cookies from 5-60min with the option to do so at browser startup as well. Of course excluding the Whitelist.

Hadden89

@Obiwan2208 I actually think the dev withdraw it from the store himself being deprecated.
It doesn't handle IndexedDB, LocalStorage, Plugin Data and Service Workers as more updated extensions do.

tob1as

I'm using Cookie AutoDelete now and it should also handle Local Storage:

Obiwan2208

@Hadden89 for moment I don't need indexedDB, LocalStarage, etc, just need a more flexible cookie manager than Chromium/Vivaldi can give me today.

Don't misunderstanding, Vivaldi is good , I know finally we'll get we want...but as normal requires time. God taken 6 days to make the World.

@tob1as do you mind if I ask what's exactly a Greylist?
And can be used the delay of AutoCleaning to keep "unwanted" cookies for 5-15min? This is for feel free looking for info without worried to keep one tab from "unwanted" domain and delete sessions or prefs (AutoCleaning feature when close tabs).

Although it's a bit , I hope I make myself understood.

sdtbluethink

Is an adaptation of the dialogue in progress?
chrome://settings/cookies
Actually, only the three fields for the cookie exceptions are missing?

Hadden89

@Obiwan2208 said in Better Cookie Management:

what's exactly a Greylist?

Session only ruleset.

can be used the delay of AutoCleaning to keep "unwanted" cookies for 5-15min?

Why not? Personally I keep the AutoClean in this way too avoid too much "interferences" with the browsing.

I won't touch domain change as it could breaks sites which have cookies from different domains in same session (eg: paypal+ebay)

Just place 900sec and you're on, I'd avoid 300sec to not overhead too much the browser with extension activity

Obiwan2208

@Hadden89 Thnks for the reply. I had already searched the answers, I already set the delay at 900secs.

Now, I'm testing CAD to to find out how well it works on a day-to-day basis.

If I got green I'll switch the cookies extension.

ldexterldesign

https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/28384/cookies-and-local-storage-in-separate-categories/5

thedayismine

Bump.

I'd love to be able to:

Stay signed in to google ( so you can access G-Drive and G-Docs):

While simultaneously...

Stay signed out of google (when using Google Search).

luetage

@thedayismine I forgot about this request. Cookie management has gotten loads better on Vivaldi in recent times. You can now set allow/session only/block on a global and per site level directly from the settings. This fulfills the whitelist part. You can moreover delete cookies directly from the settings too. The question is whether storage/persistent cookies are being handled. Will have to do a proper test. I’m currently using Cookie Autodelete to handle everything, might try a switch back to vanilla Vivaldi. Perhaps this feature request is done.

thedayismine

@luetage Thanks for the heads up. Can you do the example functionality I'm describing in the post above yours?

I went back and tried. I can't figure it out.

luetage

@thedayismine This is not part of the feature request. If you’re signed in to one Google service, you’re signed in to all of them. One option is to use startpage search, which is a way to use Google search anonymously. Alternatively you could use drive and docs from an additional private window.

becm

@thedayismine this would also require container separation with distinct cookie settings per container setup.

Both are features closely tied to the browser data storage.
Vivaldi is based on Chromium and both features are not in Google's interest.

I'd actually consider it still more likely (not easy) for a rebase of Vivaldi code on Firefox to happen.
I seem to remember Jon saying will not do some years ago, so I nobody get their hopes up.

luetage

@becm That’s never going to happen. Firefox was developing the Servo engine back when the Vivaldi team decided on the base. FF abandoned the project in the end, but I would guess the future was too uncertain and the decision fell on Blink. This is irreversible, because the Vivaldi UI uses this engine as foundation.

becm

@luetage and the seams of implementing a browser UI inside a webview have always been showing.
I'm happy there is a spiritual successor to Opera, but with the current architecture I see no change of it even coming close in a technological sense:

issues with site isolation (site popups confusing mouse state in UI)
paste issues in address field
reduced overall flexibility due to Chromium's opinionated session data handling
Manifest V3 (equally uncertain feature)

The core renderer may be fine but too many UI thingies have to be hacked around restrictions and come apart way too often for my taste.

andresej21

@luetage Any chance you've found how to add domains/sites to the "Global Permissions" list manually? The ability to add sites depends on the site itself asking for a specific permission, and you selecting a non-Default response.

It would be awesome if we could pre-load domains to set the Cookie settings without having to try and trigger a custom at random.