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    @javicmrs I'm informed that synchronizing such settings is something Vivaldi would like to pursue.



  • Hello there.

    Using Vivaldi since it was released. Expectation to get refresh Opera mail client was the main reason to install the browser. I remember how i was happy when I found Mail icon in one of the early releases BUT mail is still not avaliable... 3 years (more than) past...

    Ok. What the current real situation? What changed since 08 May 2020 (<- date of late message in this thread)?


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    @verdi Nothing changed since May, except that we are closer to release than ever. Literally dozens of bugs and features have been addressed. M3 is my default mail client, very reliable, and quite robust. It has a lower memory footprint than M2 did, believe it or not - which is surprising because Presto was more resource-thrifty than Chromium.

    The only thing is, the mail project is so vast, yet so detail-sensitive and fussy, that it is taking much longer to get raw-public-ready than originally assumed, partly because no matter how refined it is on release, there will be traits that are sure to drive someone crazy, and the Mail team will, without a doubt, be overwhelmed with bug reports and feature requests. That tsunami should be minimized to the greatest degree possible, partly by ensuring that no user, anywhere, suffers a catastrophic failure and loses many, or all, of their emails. Data loss is an annoyance in a browser. It can even be a severe annoyance. With email, as it can contain one's life or business records, data loss is unacceptable.

    All that said, I think we may be nearer to release than one might fear.



  • @Ayespy said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

    the Mail team will, without a doubt, be overwhelmed with bug reports and feature requests. That tsunami should be minimized to the greatest degree possible, partly by ensuring that no user, anywhere, suffers a catastrophic failure

    šŸ˜‚ I know how you feel, I know what you mean...



  • @Ayespy said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

    That tsunami should be minimized to the greatest degree possible, partly by ensuring that no user, anywhere, suffers a catastrophic failure and loses many, or all, of their emails. Data loss is an annoyance in a browser. It can even be a severe annoyance. With email, as it can contain one's life or business records, data loss is unacceptable.

    As long as there is a backup functionality that allows you to do a daily backup, most people will be able to live with a certain risk.
    It should not be so hard to create a database that allows for a certain amount of "undo", i.e. rolling back each step. It might be wasteful first, but the more confidence grows, the less frequent that feature will be needed until it's finally either not needed anymore, or can be transformed into some kind of daily backup.

    I personally have my mail copied from a vanity address to my provider's address and there I view it locally, where my Opera M2-mail client buffers it, also by cell phone has some buffer and there I can read my mail too, that's not so uncommon. So whatever happens to my mail locally in "M3", I'd not go broke because of it. I think I'm not the only one who has some redundancy in their mail chain.
    I'm not afraid to use a version that isn't perfect yet. I remember the days when M2 was young. As long as you tell people what to expect, you should trust these people to make a conscious decision. These early adopters will help you to find problems that your QA couldn't find and they will make your product better.



  • @brixomatic RE: email backup

    Probably my favorite was Powermail which would save your entire mailbox as a .txt file. Small, portable, and can be read by pretty much anything.



  • I seriously suspect that Vivali team have strayed from the idea.
    I don't think neither stability is a big issue nor unpredictable problems are worth to 5 years.

    @Ayespy catastrophic failure? I had lost my laptop, one of stolen one of broken .. formatted windows several times.
    I know how you feel too. But this is not a valid argument . If M3 was released 5 years before or if it will be released 5 years later you may expect feature request and bug fix tsunami

    In any case, it'a great job. Hope to see M3 soon šŸ™‚


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    @morla Don't worry, they haven't strayed from the initial idea. They have created a stable base and are now integrating the most important features, unfortunately it takes time.
    Surely at first it won't make everyone happy, maybe because after so many years the expectations will be very high, but it has all the potential to become a great product. I'm very tempted to use it for my primary accounts but it's still a little too early.
    As @Jon said, it's only a matter of time before it's in a snapshot.



  • @Folgore101 said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:
    As @Jon said, it's only a matter of time before it's in a snapshot.

    I hope it will be soon and not only in form of a snapshot as Opera + M2 give more trouble each month. Most M2-users will probably be forced to use a standalone mail-client if M3 takes much more time to come.


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    @ghpy said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

    @Folgore101 said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:
    As @Jon said, it's only a matter of time before it's in a snapshot.

    I hope it will be soon and not only in form of a snapshot as Opera + M2 give more trouble each month. Most M2-users will probably be forced to use a standalone mail-client if M3 takes much more time to come.

    It will be a flag you can enable or an experiment. You can use it from that time on, but it still a technical preview.



  • @ghpy said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

    @Folgore101 said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:
    As @Jon said, it's only a matter of time before it's in a snapshot.

    I hope it will be soon and not only in form of a snapshot as Opera + M2 give more trouble each month. Most M2-users will probably be forced to use a standalone mail-client if M3 takes much more time to come.

    Speaking of which. M2 started to refuse to allow me to reply to certain e-mails or forward e-mails in general unless I set it to "prefer plain text" (As opposed to html view). It shows the reply/forward form but I cannot edit the text at all unless I switch it to "prefer plain text" before hitting R or F keys to reply or forward. Any ideas what might be causing this? I am not aware of any changes to my local setup, but it is true we changed our e-mail hosting.


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    @felagund said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

    Speaking of which. M2 started to refuse to allow me to reply to certain e-mails

    āš  This is not the thread for Opera M2 support. Please ask at: https://forum.vivaldi.net/category/18/software


  • Community Manager

    We have just launched Vivaldi Mail & Vivaldi Feed Reader in today's snapshot. Let us know what you think. šŸ™‚


  • Community Manager

    We have just launched Vivaldi Mail & Vivaldi Feed Reader in today's snapshot. Let us know what you think. šŸ™‚


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    Vivaldi Feed reader can not be deactivated im Mail settings.
    If user has extension to detect (address field's rss icon) and show RSS feeds (preview) Vivaldi hijacks it.


  • Community Manager

    @Gwen-Dragon thanks for your input. We're super grateful if you share it as a separate request. šŸ™‚


  • Moderator

    @Gaƫlle I remember now, i had reported that some months ago in bug tracker.



  • I just want to say I appreciate it has not been closed and marked as done like my other request

    I've put my thoughts under the blog post but can copy them here too, probably clean up a bit if that's needed



  • @GaĆ«lle I was very excited, but I have only gmail accounts, so I cannot use it šŸ˜ž



  • @peefy If you want, you can create a Vivaldi mail account.


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