Vivaldi fails Spectre check - when will you update?


  • Vivaldi Translator

    Accoring to http://xlab.tencent.com/special/spectre/spectre_check.html the latest Vivaldi 1.14 BETA fails.

    Tested with latest Firefox 58 BETA and also Microsoft EDGE, both pass.



  • it probably depends on different factors, os+patches etc. On this PC i got
    $ Start checking...
    $ Processing 8M cache, waiting...
    $ Processing 16M cache, waiting...
    $ Processing 32M cache, waiting...
    $ Processing 64M cache, waiting...
    $ Processing 128M cache, waiting...
    $
    $ According to our checking
    $ Your browser is NOT VULNERABLE to Spectre
    $



  • Think Vivaldi depends largely on Google Chrome update for this issue, which afaik the big corporation has yet to address.



  • Yeah i ran that test a few hours ago. Vivaldi-Snapshot & Chromium failed. Firefox & Pale Moon passed. Bummer.


  • Vivaldi Translator

    I can't believe it. Google being a huge company, unable to issue updates in a timely matter.

    Win10, Win10M (abandoned!) already patched last week. Ubuntu too.

    OK, will wait for a Chromium update....


  • Moderator

    Update to Chromium/64 code in Vivaldi should fix it. Testing and internal patch is in progress.


  • Moderator

    New internal test version of Vivaldi is not vulnerable.



  • That's awesome! :smiley_cat: Do you know if is necessary to enable the Strict site isolation option on this new internal test version?


  • Moderator

    @joy It's not. I have never used or tried that. It's a very sketchy and unfinished option.



  • Thank you very much!



  • on Vivaldi (1.13.1008.40) i get vulnerable.

    but on clean (no extensions or anything installed) google chrome (Version 63.0.3239.132) i get not vulnerable. flag is enabled in both browsers.

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  • Different browsers incorporate emerging chromium releases at different times, plus Chrome does its own thing at its own time with regard to its own fork of chromium. When chromium updates its engine version, those browsers relying on it must vet their custom design overlays against the changes made to chromium and/or provide workarounds for things that chromium would break before they can incorporate its changes into their own releases. Hence each browser will follow its own chromium incorporation schedule, so different chromium-engined browsers will reflect particular chromium changes at different points in time.

    Also, FWIW, I've been reading conflicting reports of the accuracy of various Spectre vulnerability testers (including 360's version). It appears that if a given tester shows vulnerability, there indeed is one present; however, if it shows "not vulnerable", other testers and the real world may disagree. In other words, not all testers seem to be 100% accurate when declaring a system to be not vulnerable.

    The bottom line is that there are 3 components involved in the Spectre vulnerability, all of which must be fixed to be sure the problem is fully remedied: the CPU chip/microcode itself, the OS, and the web browser(s). For a complete listing of CPUs affected by Spectre/Meltdown, see the links in https://www.techarp.com/guides/complete-meltdown-spectre-cpu-list/. Fixes are already being released and deployed for both Windows and Linux OS versions. Fixes for browsers are either in release or will begin within a month or so, depending on brand. However, note that this is an evolving situation, and there will probably be more fix iterations all the way around as time goes by and real-world exploits start appearing from over the horizon. In any case, keep in mind that a browser 'fix' alone will not solve the Spectre problem.



  • @steffie said in Vivaldi fails Spectre check - when will you update?:

    Yeah i ran that test a few hours ago. Vivaldi-Snapshot & Chromium failed. Firefox & Pale Moon passed. Bummer.

    I'm extremely surprised that PM passed. :laughing:



  • @blackbird said in Vivaldi fails Spectre check - when will you update?:

    ... In any case, keep in mind that a browser 'fix' alone will not solve the Spectre problem.

    yes ofc nods



  • @steffie said in Vivaldi fails Spectre check - when will you update?:

    Yeah i ran that test a few hours ago. Vivaldi-Snapshot & Chromium failed. Firefox & Pale Moon passed. Bummer.

    As far as I can tell all the Chromium-based browsers are still vulnerable right now, unless you use the "strict site isolation" workaround, which among other problems causes the already resource-hungry Chromium-based browsers to use 10-20% more RAM.



  • @purgatori said in Vivaldi fails Spectre check - when will you update?:

    I'm extremely surprised that PM passed. :laughing:

    Why? The head of that project explained precisely why it is not vulnerable: last year they restricted the high-precision internal performance timers that are necessary to do the exploit specifically to avoid such problems.



  • @ayespy said in Vivaldi fails Spectre check - when will you update?:

    New internal test version of Vivaldi is not vulnerable.

    That's good news.

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    @ayespy said in Vivaldi fails Spectre check - when will you update?:

    @joy It's not. I have never used or tried that. It's a very sketchy and unfinished option.

    So given that apparently Chromium (Chrome?) v64 will enable strict site isolation by default, will Vivaldi disable that?



  • I'm sure that tool just steals all your site user pass information from google chrome spyware infested engine.. tencent china own you now :man_facepalming: jk or I dunno anyone check teh source :P

    ps fuck google

    pps at least they have a working autoscroll mmb implementation.


  • Moderator

    @imaginaryfreedom By the time 64 is released, one hopes the wrinkles will all be out of it. That's one reason we do such broad internal testing.


  • Vivaldi Translator

    @ayespy I am for testing and so on. But since this topic is hot with the press it may soon make the rounds that Vivaldi has not yet addressed the issue and that the browser "is insecure" to use. Bad press is not good.

    I hope you guys can address this quickly.... Addressing it also will allow Vivaldi to issue a press note on it. The longer you take the less possible it is to do that.....


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