My Two Cents…



  • After downloading and installing Tech version 2 I have two suggestions - develop Vivaldi for Windows to function with the features and speed of Opera 12.17 accommodating the new demands of today's internet. IMO Opera 12.17 is the best browser that's ever been developed.



  • I agree with you. I still use 12.16 because of its features compared to Opera 28, which I also use. Bookmarks, Notes… those things I cannot do without.

    I love the look and feel of Vivaldi on first impressions, I hope development continues and the UI doesn't change too much as it's just about perfect as is :)



  • Vivaldi has made a good start adapting some of Opera 12's features to the Chromium engine and I am sure more are coming. :)



  • It's all about speed with me.

    And, of course a thorough "Delete Private Data" option.



  • And that's the problem - the Chromium engine.


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    @opera1217:

    And that's the problem - the Chromium engine.

    Live with. Chromium has its own pluses and minuses. Every engine has. Be sure that they (Vivaldi developer team) has a long discussion about which engine will be used.

    Anyway, I strongly DISAGREE with your first comment here (the topic itself). Of course that some features from Opera 12 are basic for us and "have to" be integrated.
    But in general Vivaldi is a new browser. And feedback like "bring us all what Opera 12 had" is a bit… well, I'm not gonna be rude. Think about it. Support some ideas, make your own ideas and share them with us. But do not want nor expect Vivaldi to be a "clone" of what Opera 12 was. it's not gonna happen (I hope). And I'm happy to see that Vivaldi is trying to do it even BETTER than Opera before chromium.

    edit: chromium is Opensource project. So even Vivaldi team CAN add or edit there anything they want (even if they had to fork some part of the code because of that)



  • Whether you agree or disagree with me is irrelevant. As I wrote, my trial with tech version 2 was slow to load and even slower to render. Definitely NOT better than Opera before chromium.

    Simple pages like the Drudgereport took forever.

    And I do hope the developers look at the features and speed of Opera 12.17.

    As far as the topic goes - it must be okay.

    You certainly clicked on it.


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    your topic is a mess. That's why I clicked on it :) and now I see that you are one of these who do not get point of technical preview meaning.

    Judge TP by its speed is just not proper measure. On the other hand - now you finally told what's irritating you. The speed what's will be matter of improving right before final version of Vivaldi. Not in that (TP) state.
    that's all from me. No need to argue with you. Hopefully you will get this no matter how much you love old Opera.



  • @opera1217:

    … Simple pages like the Drudgereport took forever. ...

    I'm not sure what your system is, nor what else you might have had open on it… but DrudgeReport here takes around 1/2 second to open virtually all the time using the TP2 latest 32-bit Vivaldi version on Win7-64. The reason I mention this is that if it "takes forever" on your system, there's something else going on causing the slowness besides Vivaldi's design.



  • @opera1217:

    Simple pages like the Drudgereport took forever.

    I just tested DR and it open in a flash. Very Quick. So no problems for V here.


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    Drudgereport opened instantly for me.

    Then I had to bathe my computer in bleach.



  • @Ayespy:

    Drudgereport opened instantly for me.

    Then I had to bathe my computer in bleach.

    I gather Hillary is still at the top of the page.


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    I wouldn't know. My computer is allergic to disinformation - so on such sites, it immediately pops up screen-covering messages in a huge font, like WTF? OMFG YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS! and YGBFKM!! so I can't really make out what's actually on the page. It does this on Fox, WND, Drudge, Washington TImes, Free Republic, Rush, and anything else within the "bubble."

    As my entire job is reliant on the absolute accuracy of my facts and on scrupulous fidelity to both truth and law, I've had to install some pretty aggressive anti-BS software.

    :evil:



  • @Ayespy:

    As my entire job is reliant on the absolute accuracy of my facts and on scrupulous fidelity to both truth and law, …

    Indeed the truth in media is in short supply.



  • 3 GHZ quad core 8 GB ram running Win 7 - 64.



  • @ahoj1234:

    Anyway, I strongly DISAGREE with your first comment here (the topic itself).

    And I strongly AGREE with that first comment.

    Opera left thousands of us orphan. We want a browser with the old Opera's features.



  • @Al-Khwarizmi:

    … Opera left thousands of us orphan. We want a browser with the old Opera's features.

    And I believe that's the direction in which the Vivaldi team is heading, at least "philosophically". Except that they are starting from scratch with a pre-built rendering engine, which means that some features that may have been simple to implement under Presto may be difficult (if not impossible) to exactly duplicate in Blink/chromium. Beyond that lies the reality that the way some "features" worked in Presto were just that: how they worked… their behavior details may not have been so much a thought-out choice as just the way they happened to be implemented in the Presto scheme. Incorporating them indentically in all their exact detail with Blink may turn out to be counter-productive and wasteful in the extreme.

    My point is that many of the same guys who gave us Olde Opera are giving us Vivaldi, using the same design philosophy, and having the same desire for functionality as we do. Users need to be patient and keep their perspectives intact about the nature of browser "features," their implementation, and their details.



  • Ayespy – I can really appreciate your comments -- I wouldn't know. My computer is allergic to disinformation - so on such sites, it immediately pops up screen-covering messages in a huge font, like WTF?…

    I just wish that I could get everyone who forwards all of those goofy "factual" political, religious and racial emails to me to either install your BS Detector software or at least check the factual content before sending it on to me and countless others. I delete the vast majority, but occasionally I will respond to the sender with the correct information. That is usually a waste of time – the sender doesn't want the facts because it is counter to the agenda being pushed.


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    @litehorse3:

    That is usually a waste of time – the sender doesn't want the facts because it is counter to the agenda being pushed.

    In my experience that is ALWAYS a waste of time, because the same mind that finds these forwarded "facts" credible is not capable of finding contrary facts credible. That which does not reinforce their world view could not possibly be true.



  • Agreed on Opera 12.17. Maybe…just maybe... the best ever. We had to abandon 12.17 when the back button, amongst other features, progressively stopped working. I did try Opera 27 or 28 (whichever, can't remember...it was completely forgettable). It was pure garbage and I couldn't uninstall it fast enough.

    So far, I'm very much enjoying the new Vivaldi browser. I have experienced a few glitches within a couple of my frequently visited webpages, particularly when entering passwords. But, in all, I'm beyond thrilled. Respectfully, I do have a couple of simple suggestions:

    [ol]

    • make the bookmark panel links single-clickable (my wife calls me everyday saying her bookmark links aren't working), and;
    • add a history panel (or am I just overlooking it?).

    [/ol]
    As far as all of the other suggestions I have read about in this forum, I'm certain they're all wonderful. I'm just not as well-experienced in the browser world as most of the participants here and cannot speak intelligently regarding them.


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