November: a rollercoaster of a month on the Vivaldi forum


  • Community Manager

    The Vivaldi forum has been bustling with activity in November. But what did people talk about? Here we help you catch up.

    Click here to see the full blog post


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    Good overview of what has been done in November. Nice.



  • I am pleased with the progress (and successes) of Vivaldi's development. Vivaldi is absolutely on the road to be the greatest web browser for casual and discerning users alike. Many thanks for all the great work and attention to user wishes.


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    Hopefully, December will see some nice presents:

    Looking at the top feature requests, all with over 50 votes, some at least appear to be easy to implement:

    • Pop out Video Panel
    • Customise menus
    • Improved Extension management
    • Sort web panels with drag and drop
    • Downloads by file type (MIME type support)
    • Resize tiles
    • Store customisations


  • @pesala said in November: a rollercoaster of a month on the Vivaldi forum:

    some at least appear to be easy to implement

    Though it is dangerous to say something is "easy to implement", I have to agree that

    Sort web panels with drag and drop

    seems like it should be easy, as there is already drag and drop support for re ordering extension icons in the address bar.



  • Some good stuff happening in November. That post about what gets sent to google was very informative. Looking forward to a busy December.


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    @lonm said in November: a rollercoaster of a month on the Vivaldi forum:

    Though it is dangerous to say something is "easy to implement"

    That's why I did not say that. I said seem to be easy to implement



  • @pesala Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I meant it more as a general statement rather than directly replying to what you said.


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    Oh yes, I noticed a significant improvement on RAM usage couples of weeks ago.
    Unlike the 43% in the past, now the average is around 24%.
    I wrote a shell to follow up the improvement.



  • IIRC Mail was promised to be delivered this year, am I right? If yes - we're gonna have a beautiful ending of 2017 :)



  • @jacekn said in November: a rollercoaster of a month on the Vivaldi forum:

    IIRC Mail was promised to be delivered this year, am I right? If yes - we're gonna have a beautiful ending of 2017 :)

    A timeframe for mail has never been promised. Mail will be made available when it's ready.

    The only promise with regards to mail is that it will come eventually.


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    @jacekn said in November: a rollercoaster of a month on the Vivaldi forum:

    Mail was promised to be delivered this year, am I right?

    No, but perhaps a Snapshot to test mail client may come up in December. :telescope: But that is more my wish than a deeper knowledge about a timeline.



  • Good idea to have a monthly overview... Confirms, for example, that the issue I had with a site the other day was indeed the inactive Flash thing I had heard some people mention.

    (That's going to be really bad for users who don't follow the development or read the forums - I suggest you add a big "activate Flash for this site" button ASAP!)


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    @mossman: We're working on this, we realize we need a solution here.



  • @pesala: I personally prefer fixing bugs and catching up with competition before implementing such inessential features like "Pop out Video Panel" or "Customise menus".


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    @andrewz1986 I don't need pop out video windows either, but 109 users voted for it. Ironically, Opera has had the video popup for many versions, so by your own statement, Vivaldi need to catch up with the competition.

    All of the requests that I listed have more than 50 votes.

    People are constantly asking for changes to the right-click menus to aid workflow. It makes no sense to modify the defaults as whatever one does it will annoy someone. Far better, therefore, to let users edit their menus. This I did extensively in Opera 12.18 to remove items I never used, and add features that I did.

    0_1512507887465_Opera Menu.png



  • @andrewz1986 I absolutely respect every single vote these suggestions got, but I would also like to express doubts that these results of voting reflects priorities of these users. It simply got most attraction. I would support most of the suggestions including these, but not at the moment when basic features are missing and essential features are not tuned to perfection. Development time needs to be taken in account. Instead of implementing some cool gimmick for a year, dozens of other and less time consuming features could be implemented instead.


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    @andrewz1986 said in November: a rollercoaster of a month on the Vivaldi forum:

    dozens of other and less time consuming features could be implemented instead.

    There must be dozens of less time-consuming features and improvements that could be implemented as well as major features.

    I suspect that those popular features, which have appeared in multiple feature request threads over the last few years, are hard to implement, or they would have been done by now. Development time is surely taken into account much more than the number of votes.

    It would probably be very easy to remove the Triangle expand/collapse icon and let the Folder icons do the same job. Clicking on a selected Folder Title already serves to edit the title.

    0_1512565215882_Bookmark Folder Icons.png



  • @pesala I'm affraid that those arrows next to bookmark folder icons are a feature, not a bug. If the development team would not like it there, they would not put it there. :-) Second thing is that it does not limit you in any way.


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    @andrewz1986 I never said it was a bug. It is a waste of space to use two icons where one will do just fine.

    1. Single-click on the triangle currently expands and collapses the tree
    2. Double-click on the folder icon or the Title currently does the same thing
    3. Single-click on the selected title currently edits the Title
    4. When the title is selected for editing, neither icon expands/collapses the tree

    Proposed:

    1. Single-click on the folder icon expands and collapses the tree
    2. Single-click on the selected folder title edits the title
    3. Double-click on the title edits the title.
    4. Single-click on the folder icon could still expand and collapse the tree

    All gain, and no loss of functionality. The current implementation does limit users in significant ways:

    1. Two icons take more horizontal space in the panels, so it needs to be a few pixels wider
    2. The target for expanding/collapsing the folder using the triangle is small. Double-click on the title, which is a much bigger target can be used, but that requires more effort than single-click. The folder icon is a bigger target than the triangle.

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