Need Information about Vivaldi's Team



  • Based on the story behind the birth of Vivaldi, are you Vivaldi's team are the same as the Opera's team?


  • Moderator

    Not according to the press releases they have put out. It would seem slightly less than half the team is drawn from the ranks of the people who built the old version of Opera. Jon, of course, was the co-founder of Opera (and the only one of the two founders still living) so whatever philosophy he infused the old team with, one is likely to see in this new team as well.



  • If they were Opera's team, will they using Presto again as Vivaldi's engine rather than using Blink? I miss Opera with Presto engine because I saw that while using Presto, Opera can do browsing faster than others (IE, Firefox, etc.)



  • @R.Purnama:

    If they were Opera's team, will they using Presto again as Vivaldi's engine rather than using Blink? I miss Opera with Presto engine because I saw that while using Presto, Opera can do browsing faster than others (IE, Firefox, etc.)

    Unfortunately, Opera Software ASA still holds the copyright to Presto, and it doesn't look like they'll be open-sourcing it any time soon, and even if they did, we'd need a bigger team to bring the old engine up to today's Web standards.



  • @lewisje:

    Unfortunately, Opera Software ASA still holds the copyright to Presto, and it doesn't look like they'll be open-sourcing it any time soon, and even if they did, we'd need a bigger team to bring the old engine up to today's Web standards.

    Is it possible –one day soon-- that Opera Software ASA will launch a new web browser based on "fresh" Presto engine?


  • Moderator

    No. Not possible. They have pared back on development staff, and essentially plan to piggy-back on Blink forever - or at least as long as they are in the browser business. Their two biggest income streams now are advertising and OEM software, so there may well come a time when they no longer feel there's enough return from maintaining a browser. What would forestall that possibility is if, by having their own browser, they can maximize their advertising earnings.



  • I infer that nowadays there are 3 (three) browser engines running on Windows: Trident, WebKit, and Gecko.
    [ol]

    • Trident is primarily used by IE.
    • WebKit is primarily used by Chrome.
    • Gecko is primarily used by Firefox.
      [/ol]
      I imagine if only Presto born again as the fourth. :)

  • Moderator

    Well, if Vivaldi were heavily capitalized with huge market exposure and some leverage to force web developers to code with a fourth browser engine in mind, such a scenario might be imagined. As none of these preconditions are met, however, imagining is all that will be done.

    Note that IE is from MS, who has a monopoly on the PC market.
    Chromium (based on webkit) is produced by Google, which has more money and market exposure than God, and carpet-bombed TV, magazines and the internet with promotion for Chrome for years before the browser began to catch on.
    Firefox is the natural heir to Netscape which, at the beginning of the web, was nearly the only game in town - and therefore started with a HUGE legacy user base.

    Which of these advantages, pray tell, does Vivaldi enjoy?



  • @Ayespy:

    Which of these advantages, pray tell, does Vivaldi enjoy?

    It inherits the Opera user base. :D


  • Moderator

    Aha! Well, new Opera still has over half of that user base. So, it inherits approximately half (optimistically) of the old Opera user base, which was too small to keep the Presto engine alive and relevant (abt 2% usership, net-wide). Why does this not fill me with confidence about the future of a fourth, and tiny, tiny minority, engine?



  • I guess WebKit was chosen because of its capability and its wide usage, especially the usage in mobile devices, so that in the future there are hopes that Vivaldi's user will come from mobile user.


  • Moderator

    They are certainly going to be releasing an Android version, which will be a bit easier starting with WebKit.


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