Skin seems quite unpopular



  • Unfortunately, first impressions matter. Look at the number of negative comments about the skin on this Slashdot article: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/01/27/1733259/opera-founder-is-back-with-a-feature-heavy-chromium-based-browser I recommend Vivaldi hire a new designer and change it. Opera 12 was the prettiest browser I ever saw.


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    @DavidGould:

    Unfortunately, first impressions matter.

    Look at the number of negative comments about the skin on this Slashdot article:
    http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/01/27/1733259/opera-founder-is-back-with-a-feature-heavy-chromium-based-browser

    I recommend Vivaldi hire a new designer and change it. Opera 12 was the prettiest browser I ever saw.

    As soon as skins are implemented, we will be drowning in them. As the browser still makes no money, I doubt there's any budget to "hire a new designer."



  • Eons ago when I was doing web development and websites tied to databases we would get functionality down first before making the UI pretty. I'm pretty sure that is what is happening here.


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    WhaaaaaT? Function over form? How DARE you?



  • My only complaint is that on a non-retina display, they icons are all a bit less pretty than they could be if they were properly optimized for multiple resolutions
    that and the ui font size is a bit small



  • And that the stoplight buttons are a bit squished, unlike all the previews



  • @Ayespy:

    As the browser still makes no money, I doubt there's any budget to "hire a new designer."

    Crowdsource it. Offer 20000 Euros to the best design and credit in the About screen. Gets free publicity too.

    Netflix offered $1 million and said it was the best money they ever spent.



  • The CSS UI is terrible. Ditch it for the native UI of the operating system and then we can see the functions currently hidden by this CSS nonsense.



  • Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think there are a lot of people who like the skin.
    At least I don't find it ugly. But I would also prefer if vivaldi would adapt to the OS and would't look like a alien on my dark KDE environment.

    By the way I don't see a reason for a new designer. As far as I know they have already one. :whistle:



  • @Sajadi:

    Vivaldi is only possible thanks to CSS/Javascript UI - keep that in mind before you are asking to remove that.

    Vivaldi is merely a Chromium clone with a very basic CSS UI which currently hides some useful features available in the base code. The dreary UI just does fit with my elegant Mint desktop.


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    Sting didn't look like Sting, either, when he was an embryo.

    As I've said, as soon as skinning is available, we will be awash in skins. What we have now, and will have soon, is nothing more than a placeholder.



  • Also, when I first used Vivaldi, the URL bar color changed gradually (quickly, but there was a bit of a transition).
    Now, it seems to either go from one to the next, or have one in between
    Not sure if this was for performance boosting, or if it's a bug



  • http://ideaboardapp.appspot.com/vivaldi-themes
    I made this for easy listing of features we want to be able to change skin-wise
    It also allows ranking
    It also so nicely proves why the tab colors needs a little tweaking



  • I customized this skin and I love Vivaldi for that possibility! CSS / JavaScript have a lot of power


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    I have never been fan of native solutions. Native is (mostly) not progressive.

    And from a non-expert view I like CSS/Javascript UI a lot. Not only how it looks now (I just love the colours and who not - there is "turn it off" option). Also with CSS it seems like we will get some themes sooner or later and that will be much more fun with that CSS possibilities!



  • I love the look of Vivaldi. A huge part of the appeal for me. Bright, modern, and it blends with the identity of the site you're using. It's aesthetically the best browser I've seen. They could work on the consistency, is all (the statusbar looks like a straight rip from Opera Classic).



  • Hi, I use to design Opera skins when it ran on Presto (remember CrystalOnyxBull?), but now the new Opera just lets any user slap a wallpaper in the background of the browser…how uncreative is that?! Why even bother having people upload them when you can easily make anything you want? Anyway I'm hoping there will be a way for users to creatively create skins and not just slap a wallpaper in the background, I'm talking about changing buttons, icons, toolbar size, color, etc. like the old Opera. I'm also hoping for a built-in email client. Now the new Opera lets you download it as a separate desktop app and just forgot about it, no recent updates/improvements.



  • My subjective opinion of the skin/UI in its present form is that it's really ugly. That said, I don't think that's important. And I'd rather they focus on features, beautifying the UI doesn't need to be a high priority.

    I hope we eventually get a native UI or native skin, though. Probably the worst disadvantage of Vivaldi for me at the moment is that it is non-native - it doesn't conform to the standard of my other desktop programs. I'd be happy with pseudo-nativity (a skin emulating the native look and feel of my OS, even if the implementation is non-native) but it's important for me that the menu bar, title bar, window controls, MDI subwindow controls when we get them, etc. be in the same place as in the other programs so that I don't need to learn a different UI for each program and I can work efficiently, using muscle memory, across programs.



  • I'm not sure doing much design will be possible until the internals are more tightly nailed down, so I'm prepared to be patient. It may be presumptuous of me but I'm expecting some sort of userCSS in the end anyway, which would be ideal.



  • @Al-Khwarizmi:

    My subjective opinion of the skin/UI in its present form is that it's really ugly.

    I prefer the actual skin over the plain and anonimous Opium's one and, fankly, even over the latest MacOS looking ones from Opera 12.

    Likely the best default Opera skin was the one from Opera 10.something.

    That said I care really little about the style itself, I'm waiting more for buttons/bar customization and other useful features.


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