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Vivaldi 1.13 adds Window Panel, improves Downloads and brings under-the-hood enhancements
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@margarita Rockin' another update! This browser just becomes better and better, every time! My thanks go to your wonderful team.
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@mbert said:
The Window panel looks like another good step into the right direction. I asked for this feature a long time ago in the forums, and it seems to fit here: how about implementing "sessions" in a similar way as OmniWeb does it? I.e. users could add tabs to a session and save it under some name. When you open a session all your current session's tabs are replaced by the new sesion's one. This can reduce huge numbers of tabs, and also allows to organise tab sets for specific work that can be closed (i.e. replaced by some other tab set) afterwards. I think that people still remembering OmniWeb may know what I'm talking about.
It would work perfectly with Window Panel! This Panel IS session manager.
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Impressive update indeed! Noticable improvements regarding RAM & CPU management on my 5+ yr old (i5 2nd gen) machine.
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I wanted to use Window Panel instead of Tabs but it doesn't seem designed for that. No middle click to close, no single click or mousewheel to navigate, no highlight to show which tab is active...
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The window panel looks really nice and looks like a very nice implementation of the tree style tabs, but...
It's not really tab bar. I'm using vertical tab bar because of the space and possibility to handle many tabs so easily. But I miss the grouping functionality (tab stacks suck imo, well I don't see much profit from them).
Thing I need is a tab bar with the functionality of the new Window panel. -
Interesting however when I went to my custom home page and opened a new tab the CTRL+Tab would only work between the first two tabs in the group.
I loathe tabs on top, I should have control OVER tabs, not vice-versa but you guys are hiring a UX person and hopefully they'll really comprehend GUI customization.
I think when there is only one or there are very few tag groups open that the horizontal size should increase to a percentage of the horizontal window size.
While I am a keyboard and mouse person I'm still a mouse person, the tiny four pixel hint should be a bit vertically larger to click on however I will credit the under-pop for being very responsive.
On the side panel Notes should be under History, keep it alphabetical by default; always intuitive and then eventually add the ability to change the vertical order. I really prefer buttons for those on the main toolbar ABOVE tabs.
I just noticed and really appreciate the file menu and the website title being on the same toolbar, bravo! I'd like to have Chris Pederick's Web Developer toolbar items to fit on the right side of that top-most toolbar. I really need the ability to customize the toolbars, drag them vertical (tabs below main control).
I'm a web developer, all this stuff takes time. While it won't replace my highly customized version of Fixed Firefox at this point I like the direction it is going. Once true toolbar customization finally lands there is a high chance I'll be able to switch. Keep up the great work.
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Thank so much! Very awaiting "Sync" functionality for transfer favorites and settings between different hosts.
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@pesala said:
The panels take a lot more screen real-estate, especially if users have the tabs at the top
That makes sense.
On the other hand, for people who place their Tab Bars on the left hand side, the Window Panel takes up nearly the same space as the Tab Bar. (Hence my question. But, I should've explained this.)
I've disabled the Tab Bar for several hours. So far so good. I like the collapsable-tree-style representation of a tab stack.
As Mau points out, moving tabs to different windows is currently missing from the Window Panel.
Oh, and the preview is missing from the Window Panel! (When you hover your mouse pointer on a tab on the Tab Bar, a preview pops up, but not on the Windows Panel.) I'm not sure whether this feature is coming.
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I see they still haven't fixed the lag issues that a subset of us are experiencing, especially on sites with video. I did a clean standalone install and within 15 minutes of browsing, it started stuttering on every page. I was clocking upwards of six seconds between hitting "PgDn" and the page actually moving. Meanwhile, my main copy of Vivaldi, 1.10, is running in the background on the same site with the same tabs open and responds instantly. There's just something about these recent versions that's broken, and they are not getting any headway towards a fix. Am I going to be stuck on 1.10 forever, or will I just have to give up and go to Firefox Quantum and suffer a second-class experience forever? I've already filed two separate bug reports, I don't know what else to do.
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"We know that you love tabs, so we are always adding new ways of working with them."
And yet we still can't expand/collapse tab groups in the address bar. Such a basic feature.
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What I want to know is: With the relatively short time between releases, how do you manage to fix and enhance so many things each time? Do you "guys" ever sleep?
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The great updates. The most beautiful is startup time faster. I stil dont know why background page & vivaldi app using much resource, compare to chrome. In previous versions, vivaldi is more sluggish than chrome,use more resource than chrome. Specially on old computer, you can see its clearly. Since ver 1.13, vivaldi maybe the primary browser on all my computer.
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Could anyone with access tell me how VB-5585 relates to tab stacks specifically?
It apparently ties to the specific tab stack issues (switching consecutively among tabs in a stack, where you land when you close a tab in a stack, etc) that have plagued Vivaldi since v1.8, but the bug number is so low that I'm not getting how it can be related (the bug numbers by the time v1.8 came out were north of 27000).
Thanks.
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@angrypenguin when you upgrade, how do you do it? If you use
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you are doing it wrong. That is not how to upgrade rpm packages.We only support 2 rpms, the latest snapshot and the latest stable. Let's look at what they provide
$ wget -q https://downloads.vivaldi.com/stable/vivaldi-stable-1.13.1008.32-1.x86_64.rpm https://downloads.vivaldi.com/snapshot/vivaldi-snapshot-1.13.1008.30-1.x86_64.rpm $ rpm -q --provides -p vivaldi-stable-1.13.1008.32-1.x86_64.rpm vivaldi-beta = 1.13.1008.32 vivaldi-stable = 1.13.1008.32-1 vivaldi-stable(x86-64) = 1.13.1008.32-1 $ rpm -q --provides -p vivaldi-snapshot-1.13.1008.30-1.x86_64.rpm vivaldi-snapshot = 1.13.1008.30-1 vivaldi-snapshot(x86-64) = 1.13.1008.30-1 vivaldi-unstable = 1.13.1008.30
They do not clash with one another. Stable provides only stable and beta. Snapshot provides only snapshot and unstable.
Since they cannot be in conflict with one another the only way you could have a conflict is if you install 2 copies of one of them, e.g. two snapshots. On rpm there is one switch to install
-i
and a totally different switch to upgrade-U
. When you upgrade a previously installed package you must use-U
, otherwise RPM will attempt to install a second copy.This is not something special about vivaldi. This is always true. You never use
-i
to install a package you are upgrading, otherwise you are doing it wrong and will get errors like the ones you see.For more information on upgrading via rpm, refer to:
https://access.redhat.com/solutions/1189
If you want you can just use
-U
instead of-i
even for new installs. This will work and is supported even for new installs. Consider this a quirk of rpm. -
Yet still no ability to drag files from the downloads panel :(. Such a simple and obvious thing to want to do—either to another folder, desktop, or an email being composed.
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@dsl101 The only thing I usually want to do with a download is to open it, for which double-click is fine. You need to be patient. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of feature requests and bugs to address, and only a small team.
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@pesala I'm sure the list is long. But it's been there a long time, and downloads are files—there are really only 2 things you do with them; open them, or drag them somewhere else. I can live without full context menu, but the basics are still the basics. I stand by that being a key missing feature.
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Well ... nice new features, okay ... but still not what I need: A wholesome web suite (incl. mail and IRC client), to finally get rid of Opera 12.
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Window panel is a great step forward, but still not quite as good as the Tree Tabs panel. Pinned tabs as icons across the top is a killer feature for me. The whole point of pinned tabs is that they're quick and easy to access. Window panel makes you scroll all the way back up, and they're no different to ordinary tabs in a group. Also some behaviour is counter to the main tab list—e.g. middle click configured to close a tab on the tab list activates scrolling on the Window panel... I'd love to see the whole Tree Tabs feature set natively in Vivaldi. It's definitely coming, and please don't think I'm being negative. Just impatient
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@dsl101 Right-click, show in file manager, then do what you want with it. It is just one more simple step. Not even that if you enable download notifications and do it at once.