Dead Bird Tabs annoy me hard
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I have fully switched to Vivaldi Browser, cos it's so awesome.
But those Dead Bird Tabs that happen frequently for me drive me nuts.Is there anything I can do to make them not happen?
Any Logs I can give you people to find out what causing them?Using Vivaldi version: 1.12.955.48 (Stable channel) (64-Bit)
JavaScript: V8 6.1.534.41
Flash: deactivated
command prompt: vivaldi.exe --always-authorize-plugins --enable-blink-features=ResizeObserver --flag-switches-begin --disable-accelerated-video-decode --enable-es3-apis --enable-fast-unload --ignore-gpu-blacklist --num-raster-threads=4 --enable-smooth-scrolling --enable-features=AutomaticTabDiscarding,MemoryCoordinator --flag-switches-end
System Information
Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64-bit (10.0, Build 16299) (16299.rs3_release.170928-1534) Language: German (Regional Setting: German) System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. System Model: AB350-Gaming BIOS: BIOS Date: 09/15/17 14:16:39 Ver: 05.0000C Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 1700X Eight-Core Processor (16 CPUs), ~3.6GHz Memory: 16384MB RAM Available OS Memory: 16334MB RAM Page File: 5329MB used, 13437MB available Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS DirectX Version: DirectX 12 DX Setup Parameters: Not found User DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent) System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent) DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled Miracast: Available, with HDCP
Anything more you need to know?
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@freeman79 To start, it would help to have some examples of where the "Dead Birds" happen (urls).
You also don't mention any extensions, have you tried testing with a clean profile?
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/10388/refreshing-or-cleaning-your-profile -
@tbgbe
Yes I already tried a clean profile. didn't help anything.
Most of the time the dird birds happen when I watch twitch streams videos on dailymotion, or vidme.
I didn't experience them when watching a youtube video.
For me it looks it happens when a Tab with a video stays open for some time.Besides that I noticed tabs with videos use up to 2GB of RAM. Not sure if that's the culprit.
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Did you try a search for Twitch?
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@pesala
yes of course.
but it's not only twitch. it's a lot of pages for me that show html5 videos. -
@freeman79 Looking through your posts on
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/21873/dead-bird-tabs-on-twitch-tv/I can see that you had "buffering" problems (but no "Dead Bird Tabs") and so turned on "ignore-gpu-blacklist".
It may be that the Chromium engine really does have problems with your GPU and so there may be no (easy) workaround for both problems.
( I hesitate to suggest replace your GPU, what ever it is. Maybe you need to wait for more Driver updates?) -
@freeman79 I have something similar, but the dead birds came when i'm watching youtube video, thats seams to be caused by some video buffering or something like that.
Thanks everyone for replying
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My last dead bird was almost half a year ago in a Chrome Experiment (WebGl, I think),. Since then I haven't seen him again.
Win 7 32 Bits -
I used to have a lot while watching YT videos, recently they're really rare. I got one last week while watching a 2 hours long video near the end. Closed tab, ctrl-z, it restarted few seconds after the crashed point and not seen again.
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@tbgbe
I do use a NVIDIA 1060 GPU from Gigabyte. So I doubt I have to replace it.
Besides that I have no issues with chrome/firefox or opera browsers.About that buffering issues, as you can see in that thread, after I updated to the .48 version these are gone.
@ian-coog
Yeah it also happens for me only if I watch long videos/streams. -
@huntears said in Dead Bird Tabs annoy me hard:
@freeman79 I have something similar, but the dead birds came when i'm watching youtube video, thats seams to be caused by some video buffering or something like that.
Thanks everyone for replying
My GPU: NVidia Geforce GTX 1050ti
Processor: Intel core i5 (And a number that i don't know)k -
@freeman79 said in Dead Bird Tabs annoy me hard:
I do use a NVIDIA 1060 GPU from Gigabyte. So I doubt I have to replace it.
This is strange because from your vivaldi://gpu
I see "GPU rasterization should only be enabled on NVIDIA and Intel DX11+, and AMD RX-R2 GPUs for now.: 643850
Disabled Features: gpu_rasterization"So it seems you are using different gpu and that it has been blacklisted by chromium.
Besides that I have no issues with chrome/firefox or opera browsers.
Even stranger if you do not have same problem with Chrome or Opera (also uses Chromium engine). [Note: firefox is using different engine so not relevant to this issue].
Vivaldi 1.12.955.48 uses Chromium 61.0.3163.102, is this also true for your Chrome/Opera?
BTW the Vivaldi 1.13 snapshots use Chromium 62.0.3202.90, have you tried that? (Can test with standalone installation without affecting your stable installation).
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This is strange because from your vivaldi://gpu
I see "GPU rasterization should only be enabled on NVIDIA and Intel DX11+, and AMD RX-R2 GPUs for now.: 643850
Disabled Features: gpu_rasterizationIf you refer back to that old post of mine, that was cos I got hardware acceleration disabled back then.
Meanwhile I turned it on via chrome://settings, but dead birds remain.actual output of vivaldi://gpu is:
Graphics Feature Status
Canvas: Hardware accelerated
CheckerImaging: Disabled
Flash: Hardware accelerated
Flash Stage3D: Hardware accelerated
Flash Stage3D Baseline profile: Hardware accelerated
Compositing: Hardware accelerated
Multiple Raster Threads: Force enabled
Native GpuMemoryBuffers: Software only. Hardware acceleration disabled
Rasterization: Hardware accelerated
Video Decode: Software only. Hardware acceleration disabled
Video Encode: Hardware accelerated
WebGL: Hardware accelerated
WebGL2: Disabled
Driver Bug Workarounds
clear_uniforms_before_first_program_use
decode_encode_srgb_for_generatemipmap
disable_delayed_copy_nv12
disable_discard_framebuffer
disable_dxgi_zero_copy_video
disable_framebuffer_cmaa
exit_on_context_lost
force_cube_complete
scalarize_vec_and_mat_constructor_args
texsubimage_faster_than_teximage
Problems Detected
Some drivers are unable to reset the D3D device in the GPU process sandbox
Applied Workarounds: exit_on_context_lost
TexSubImage is faster for full uploads on ANGLE
Applied Workarounds: texsubimage_faster_than_teximage
Clear uniforms before first program use on all platforms: 124764, 349137
Applied Workarounds: clear_uniforms_before_first_program_use
Always rewrite vec/mat constructors to be consistent: 398694
Applied Workarounds: scalarize_vec_and_mat_constructor_args
ANGLE crash on glReadPixels from incomplete cube map texture: 518889
Applied Workarounds: force_cube_complete
Framebuffer discarding can hurt performance on non-tilers: 570897
Applied Workarounds: disable_discard_framebuffer
Limited enabling of Chromium GL_INTEL_framebuffer_CMAA: 535198
Applied Workarounds: disable_framebuffer_cmaa
Zero-copy NV12 video displays incorrect colors on NVIDIA drivers.: 635319
Applied Workarounds: disable_dxgi_zero_copy_video
Disable KHR_blend_equation_advanced until cc shaders are updated: 661715
Decode and Encode before generateMipmap for srgb format textures on Windows: 634519
Applied Workarounds: decode_encode_srgb_for_generatemipmap
Delayed copy NV12 displays incorrect colors on NVIDIA drivers.: 728670
Applied Workarounds: disable_delayed_copy_nv12
Accelerated video decode has been disabled, either via blacklist, about:flags or the command line.
Disabled Features: video_decode
Native GpuMemoryBuffers have been disabled, either via about:flags or command line.
Disabled Features: native_gpu_memory_buffers
WebGL2 has been disabled via blacklist or the command line.
Disabled Features: webgl2
Checker-imaging has been disabled via finch trial or the command line.
Disabled Features: checker_imagingEven stranger if you do not have same problem with Chrome or Opera (also uses Chromium engine). [Note: firefox is using different engine so not relevant to this issue].
Vivaldi 1.12.955.48 uses Chromium 61.0.3163.102, is this also true for your Chrome/Opera?
BTW the Vivaldi 1.13 snapshots use Chromium 62.0.3202.90, have you tried that? (Can test with standalone installation without affecting your stable installation).Yes my chrome uses Chromium 61.0.3163.102
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I just noticed, that my chrome detects way less Problems then Vivaldi. in chrome://gpu -
@freeman79 said in Dead Bird Tabs annoy me hard:
Graphics Feature Status
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Video Decode: Software only. Hardware acceleration disabled
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WebGL2: DisabledAccelerated video decode has been disabled, either via blacklist, about:flags or the command line.
Disabled Features: video_decode
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WebGL2 has been disabled via blacklist or the command line.
Disabled Features: webgl2These settings are different to mine, but as I only have Nvidia GT 640 yours "should" be better. If it is not blacklisted (you say Chrome works/less problems) then maybe you have different flag settings.
If you refer back to that old post of mine, that was cos I got hardware acceleration disabled back then.
Meanwhile I turned it on via chrome://settings, but dead birds remain.Try checking your flags again, see Vivaldi Help/About for Command-line settings.
(Maybe I won't replace my GPU just yet ).
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@tbgbe
yesterday I disabled "animations" in Vivaldi which was a good step in the right direction as it seems.
so today I have already set every available flag in Vivaldi same as in Chrome + I use the same command line options I have in chrome with Vivaldi now.So far I feel a huge improvement in performance in browsing sites and much less dropped frames when watching online streams.
So far also no dead bird... But I have only watched a twitch stream for 53minutes atm Dead Bird risk usually starts at around 2hours of watching a stream.... So we'll see how that turns out later.
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nothing helped
Still dead birds.... I have also tried the 1.13 snapshot version and still those dead birds happen for me. -
How would I log the dead birds so maybe one could have a look what's going on ?
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@freeman79 just an idea, do you have Accept Cookies on? and flash storage allowed? Twitch site is owned by Amazon, so they use a lot of cookies and storage and Google 3rd party stuff
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@stpvid1
Yes I have
It's just a huge gamebreaker for me cos I'm a moderator on various channels and when the dead bird appear and I have to reload the channel, the whole chat is empty of cause.And I would not want to use another browser just for twitch...
I thought maybe dead birds happen, when an commercial block is injected into the videostream. That's how twitch does it these days...
Would be great if one could show me a way to maybe log those dead birds properly so a Dev could have a look over the log.