Vivaldi has potential, but it's completely obsolete at the moment



  • I switched to it a few days ago and it was fun while it lasted but now I've gone back to Firefox till it's more than a tech preview. It completely fucked up my Java to the point where it doesn't even work on Firefox anymore, it has completely obsolete video encoding compatibility and takes days before you can watch a YouTube video at a resolution higher than 360p, it takes ages to open up and can only be closed via task manager and to top it off, it randomly switches to German at random intervals. Internet Explorer is better than Vivaldi at the moment.


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    YMMV. You are nearly unique in the problems you experienced. The only ones I have seen anyone else complain of are "slow to open" and YouTube resolution on some videos.

    But yes, if you wait until some bugs are ironed out and features are smoothed, you may find that along the way, your issues were addressed as well.



  • Opera 12.xx is my default browser, but I have been using Vivaldi everyday since the end of January and I haven't run into these issues.

    As to obsolete video encoding, again this is not a problem I have had.

    And I certainly cannot agree that IE is better than Vivaldi, even at this point. This is just my opinion based on my own experiences.



  • @Ibuuyk:

    it has completely obsolete video encoding compatibility and takes days before you can watch a YouTube video at a resolution higher than 360p

    That is NOT a problem limited to Vivaldi. I tried to explain that as thoroughly as I could in your post about that issue, but it seems I failed still. You'll see the same problem across most current browsers, including current versions of Chromium, Opera and Firefox, unless you use some experimental hacks and/or workarounds. Thank Google for arbitrarily forcing browsers to use HTML5 player on YouTube.



  • I've never had any of those problems with any browser, playing YouTube is a pretty basic thing to do and the only thing I found that can fuck it up is Vivaldi.


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    "…the only thing I found that can fuck it up is Vivaldi." Clearly, you're not trying very hard to find out what browsers can fuck up, and you never tested Opera 15+ in its early development, or Otter.

    BTW - are you using only the EXPERIMENTAL 64-bit version of vivaldi, or do you have these problems in 32-bit? Because I use 32-bit, and have never seen anything like the stuff you are complaining of.



  • Of course I use 64bits, why would I use something outdated? Firefox, Chrome and even IE can do 64bits perfectly fine, there's nothing experimental about a long-established technology. Vivaldi itself is the thing that's experimental, being a tech preview; a pre-alpha prototype to see if the idea itself is doable. If it's this good at such an early stage, I have no doubt it'll be awesome once it reaches beta since it has a lot of potential; we just need to play the waiting game for it to become relatively functional.



  • There is your problem. The creators noted that 64bit is very much experimental, it doesn't work properly. But it will in the near future. The 32bit version works just fine.


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    @Pareira:

    There is your problem. The creators noted that 64bit is very much experimental, it doesn't work properly. But it will in the near future. The 32bit version works just fine.

    Well, the OP would clearly rather use something "modern" that doesn't work yet, than something "outdated" which works just fine. OP is another one of those 64-bit snobs we had so much trouble with a couple of weeks ago, which a) clarifies that they don't understand software or computers or markets, b) shows they should not be testing software, and c) also means they are disqualified from further responses from sensible people, owing to the massive waste of time it is dealing with 64-bit snobbery.

    Such users should learn of new projects only after they are finished to a high polish.



  • Why do you even have Java installed, OP? It's a huge security liability and most experts say you should uninstall it. Minecraft even comes packaged with an internalized install of Java now, so that's no longer a reason to keep it.



  • @Ibuuyk:

    Of course I use 64bits, why would I use something outdated? Firefox, Chrome and even IE can do 64bits perfectly fine, there's nothing experimental about a long-established technology. Vivaldi itself is the thing that's experimental, being a tech preview; a pre-alpha prototype to see if the idea itself is doable. If it's this good at such an early stage, I have no doubt it'll be awesome once it reaches beta since it has a lot of potential;

    Hi Ibuuyk!
    I can see you are confusing some terms a bit, I think it is worth to clarify them. Definitely Vivaldi is not a "prototype to see if the idea itself is doable". Such prototype is a throw-away work before the actual product is released. Vivaldi is not it. It is neither a "pre-alpha", as it would be that early as it would rather not be a working product. Whereas V is still rought at the edges, but it has even more than the basic functionality and works pretty smoothly.

    On the main topic, it is a really deep misunderstanding of state of affairs to call 32-bit "outdated". In brief, 32-bit version is in no way inferior to the 64-bit (this applies for any web browser). It should actually work faster for you and should use less resources.
    Ayespy and Pareira have spot it right - try the 32-bit version and you should be pretty satisfied.

    In general, until the more stable release will come like Beta or first Final version, Vivaldi and its weekly builds are for the ones who want to enjoy the latest features in this fresh browser, while agreeing on some discomfort from some bugs. The bugs are being fixed in order considering their annoyingness, so already I would say there are no major ones which would really make using the browser a real problem. Actually, to fully understand the current level of maturity of Vivaldi, it is good to mention that due to high standards of quality of software development of Jon von Tetzchner's Team, the quality of weekly browser snapshots is similar to quality of beta versions of many programs.
    However no doubt there is a whole lot more to fix and improve and you are more than welcome to stay here and report things which you would like to see fixed or new features. All the best!



  • Geesh, the browser hasn't even come out yet and the community is already toxic and made of elitist snobs, this doesn't bode well for Vivaldi's future. This is just a pre-alpha guys, stop acting like it's perfect already. There's gonna be bugs for quite some time and it will probably take months before it can be considered a viable competitor to other browsers.

    I need Java 'cause most places still use it as it's a great networking asset, and also for work reasons since I'm a software engineer and a video game developer, and not a "snob who knows nothing about software and computers" as Ayespy so professionally said (I've also privately tested software and MMOs for half of my life, mind you Mr. Sensible)

    Take example on wojcieche, now that's a more polite & helpful post.



  • Charm3d, is that you? :P



  • @Ibuuyk:

    Geesh, the browser hasn't even come out yet and the community is already toxic and made of elitist snobs, this doesn't bode well for Vivaldi's future. This is just a pre-alpha guys, stop acting like it's perfect already. There's gonna be bugs for quite some time and it will probably take months before it can be considered a viable competitor to other browsers.

    I need Java 'cause most places still use it as it's a great networking asset, and also for work reasons since I'm a software engineer and a video game developer, and not a "snob who knows nothing about software and computers" as Ayespy so professionally said (I've also privately tested software and MMOs for half of my life, mind you Mr. Sensible)

    Take example on wojcieche, now that's a more polite & helpful post.

    You need to work on your thread titles - no matter how diplomatic the content of your OP, your titles are going to color people's impressions of your thread right away. Calling Vivaldi "obsolete" right in the title is awfully toxic in and of itself.

    That's fair enough regarding your usage of Java. I still think it's unfair that you blame Vivaldi for whatever problems have arose; I'm pretty sure Vivaldi doesn't meddle itself with your Java installation, and outside of the users either installing or uninstalling Java or changing the default browser, it's not the one making changes to Java on your machine. That's like blaming a car manufacturer for not making a vehicle that can run on diesel or gas, when you were the one who drove up to a diesel pump in the first place and didn't check to make sure it was gas.

    You also rehashed a point about Vivaldi "not working" with YouTube when Case already went over why YouTube works or doesn't work, a post you seem to have at best overlooked or at worst ignored. tl;dr the problem isn't Vivaldi, but YouTube as an institution privileging Chrome ahead of other browsers, and if you're going to complain at anyone about it, it should be YouTube first.



  • @terzaerian:

    tl;dr the problem isn't Vivaldi, but YouTube as an institution privileging Chrome ahead of other browsers, and if you're going to complain at anyone about it, it should be YouTube first.

    Correction - you can't really say the problem isn't in Vivaldi. It is, when it comes down to it, still a Vivaldi problem - it still needs to be solved at the browser level (Firefox is pretty close to solving it - you can enable it in about:config and it mostly works, and Opera seems to be quite close too with their current dev version, which has an experimental flag available for it). It's just that the reasons for why the problem exists in the first place are a bit more complicated and there are more parties involved. And it's also a problem that's not exclusive to Vivaldi.

    It's also perfectly valid to complain about it here. It's just that it isn't exactly fair to put the blame entirely on Vivaldi and pretend like no other browser suffers from this issue.



  • Well put, Ayespy. Folks who haven't been around the block have no idea what's on the other side.


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    @litehorse3:

    Well put, Ayespy. Folks who haven't been around the block have no idea what's on the other side.

    To be fair, I was perhaps a bit unkind. But to call Vivaldi "obsolete" because x64 is not stable, or to call 32-bit "outdated" is just asking for a fight - or to be labeled a troll or an ignoramus. So, litehorse3, you're a lawyer, and I'm an investigator who works almost exclusively in support of the legal profession. Pleased 'ta make your acquaintance.



  • i have not experienced any of those problems. Vivaldi runs perfectly for me , its amazing ! B)



  • Vivaldi for Windows x64 pretty much works fine on my end. :)



  • After I have read this I was trying it with youtube @ 1080p and had no problems (with the current 64bit version tested).
    Btw. Firefox was starting just 1-2 weeks ago with an experiental 64bit version for windows. The stable windows version is still the "outdated" 32bit version ;).


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