Bring back native window frame



  • I`m too vote for native window.
    The popular now "flat" and other bootstrap design (try to be same with Windows8) are very ugly, difficult to every-day-using and needs to constantly moves mouse cursor hover-out the controls to understand where the boundary between them.
    In enterprise application, we disable this flat interface (by the request of employees) and switch to ExtJS-like interface. Is he modern? Fow our mind YES, fow work is the best, not all are needed for tiles in mobile phone.
    I propose to save and maintain the standard interface of Opera 12 as a separate theme for Vivaldi



  • @umnik:

    I propose to save and maintain the standard interface of Opera 12 as a separate theme for Vivaldi

    AMEN
    … with support of 12's themes - that's my dream :)



  • +1 for native window frames.
    Furthermore I would appreciate to see the navigation buttons next to the side bar.

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    Not sure the nav buttons (and the rest of the address bar) can go there, because I think the mail panel, when open, will cover that entire area.



  • First thing I notice, is that it's extremely difficult to grab the title bar and move the window – apparently most browsers will let you grab any empty space on their tab bar and use that as a window move as well.. whereas in Vivaldi, you have to grab the 4 pixels or so that are between the tab bar and the window border. It's quite annoying. Same for the area that you have to be in to double-click to maximize/restore.

    The space available is disturbingly small and difficult to hit. I imagine on a HighDPI display it would be nearly impossible.


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    @eblade:

    First thing I notice, is that it's extremely difficult to grab the title bar and move the window – apparently most browsers will let you grab any empty space on their tab bar and use that as a window move as well.. whereas in Vivaldi, you have to grab the 4 pixels or so that are between the tab bar and the window border. It's quite annoying. Same for the area that you have to be in to double-click to maximize/restore.

    The space available is disturbingly small and difficult to hit. I imagine on a HighDPI display it would be nearly impossible.

    It's pretty easy to grab the space right under the window controls. At least that's something.


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    @Ayespy:

    It's pretty easy to grab the space right under the window controls. At least that's something.

    It's better than nothing, but it's not easy to discover, let alone to use.


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    True, of course. It's better than nothing, but that's not saying much.



  • @eblade:

    The space available is disturbingly small and difficult to hit. I imagine on a HighDPI display it would be nearly impossible.

    This has been discussed in at-least two other threads that I can recall. See if any of the advice therein helps you at all.

    https://vivaldi.net/en-US/forum/vivaldi-browser/2645-issue-with-moving-browser-window

    https://vivaldi.net/forum/vivaldi-browser/2420-unnecessary-space-above-the-the-tabs

    This post (from the second thread) in-particular might be useful to you:

    @Pesala:

    Edit common.css to remove the padding.

    https://vivaldi.net/forum/vivaldi-browser/1537-option-request-tabs-tight-against-edge-of-screen



  • While reading this thread and the links inside about .css editing, I went into the Developers Tools menu and I fooled with the color display entry a little. .css editing looks very interesting, but a google search didn't bring up any "how to's" for using it.

    Does anyone have any links on how to or simple programs or lists of what can be done to properly edit a .css file? Thanks for any pointers or guidance.



  • @litehorse3:

    While reading this thread and the links inside about .css editing, I went into the Developers Tools menu and I fooled with the color display entry a little. .css editing looks very interesting, but a google search didn't bring up any "how to's" for using it.

    Does anyone have any links on how to or simple programs or lists of what can be done to properly edit a .css file? Thanks for any pointers or guidance.

    Here's a good place to learn some CSS basics. It's not a difficult language, and I'm rather pleased that the Vivaldi interface uses it.

    As for editing programs - I personally use a combination of Notepad++ (especially for FTP transfers) and Sublime Text 3.



  • Tiamarth - Thank you a whole bunch. I have just linked all three links to new tabs so I will be checking them out.

    The thing that spurred my interest in .css was when I opened the Developers Tools I was fooling around and it seems as if I can change the color of the Vivaldi border. I don't know if that is possible, but I will see. I do full image backups of all three partitions on my hard drive every week, so if I screw up too bad and even System Restore can't correct it, the most I have to restore is one partition going back a maximum of six days.


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    litehorse3

    I would just backup files you are about to modify and restore only these in case you "you know what :whistle: " :D no need to restore a whole section - from up to 6 days ago because of 2-3 .css files. But sure, just my opinion/advice, you don't have to accept it :)

    edit: to the topic: I'm kinda not sure if we can have both. Native and CSS. If don't I would like to say "**** you lovers of native skin". Sorry but I'm one of these who would like to skin and adjust all. You can always use some chrome colour or whatever decent skin you will find which fits your OS colours. No need for proper native skin.
    (as always, my opinion, my point of view… I don't want you to accept it but just force you to think about it)



  • Not a problem, happy to help :)

    Just a couple of notes based on what you said above:

    1. If you're talking about Vivaldi's Developer Tools in Tools > Developer Tools, that's just showing you what the code of the active website looks like. All browsers have that feature.
    2. I don't think it should be necessary to restore that much just for editing the skin of Vivaldi. Just make backups of the individual files that you'll need to edit in the Vivaldi directory (Vivaldi\Application\1.0.142.32\resources\vivaldi\style\custom.css).

    Edit: Woops, posted a little late. But, yeah. What ahoj1234 said :P

    Edit the Second:

    @ahoj1234:

    Sorry but I'm one of these who would like to skin and adjust all. You can always use some chrome colour or whatever decent skin you will find which fits your OS colours. No need for proper native skin.

    You might be interested in having a look at this thread. widget made a skin that changes quite a lot about the default interface. I'm using the "3d" version even as I'm typing this.



  • ahoj1234 - And a hearty tanks to you also. That is good news because a total partition restore is always a pain. Even going into the partition just to restore one folder is time consuming so the suggestion from you and Tiamarth is encouraging.



  • Hi, I am not sure if you ever found this, but under Search, uncheck "Display Search Field in Address Bar"
    Then the address bar works just like the OmniBar in Chrome (I do say even better)

    Enjoy.



  • With TP3 the native window frame is back! Looks great on Windows 7. Well there is still the system/window menu missing in the topleft corner.

    Now I would like to have a native menu bar. For an example open Windows Explorer and press the Alt or F10 key) or enable Organize/Layout/Menubar to make it permanetly visible). It also works like a native menubar including all usual keyboard shortcuts. Vivaldis emulated menu bar doesn't even respond to any keyboard commands (like Alt, cursor keys).

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    • A native menu bar takes less space and looks better (even Opera 12's emulated menu bar looks awful).

    • It could be hidden away and only shown with a keyboard shortcut (Alt, F10).

    • An option to place tabs above the menu bar into the native (!) title bar could save further screen estate. Have a look on the look of Chrome 42 on Windows 7, which does at least that right, when maximized.
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  • @jtsn:

    With TP3 the native window frame is back! Looks great on Windows 7. Well there is still the system/window menu missing in the topleft corner.

    +1…

    @jtsn:

    Now I would like to have a native menu bar.

    …and +1. Nothing like a good old native menu bar. Reliable, standard across programs, and usable.


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