Bring back native window frame



  • Something that's common in various operating systems - a titlebar, buttons, frame. Most apps don't invent their own window frame, they use the APIs provided by the OS. Sadly almost all browsers use a custom frame, including Vivaldi. Why is it bad? It's bad for power users like me who like unity in their OS and maybe use certain window management/customisation apps. That's one of the main reasons I still use Opera 12. Please actually concentrate on power users. This includes paying attention to UX. Metro design goes against all the UX principles, but that's a different topic. Right now my main turn off is that I've downloaded another browser with no native frame. Wouldn't it be silly if all apps invented their own titlebar and designed their own min max close buttons? I'm disappointed, but give Vivaldi another try in future. Right now everything reminded me of Chrome rather than the old Opera.



  • I actually like it. Yeah I have used windows customization programs for years… I just ask it not to skin this app. Works for me. I think the new UI is rather refreshing and sets it apart nicely.



  • I am pretty confident that, at some point, Vivaldi will support skinning, and with that will come with an option to use the native UI.

    Vivaldi's style took a little getting used to but I've come to like it. It may not mesh well with Aero but it typically does mesh well with the site you are using, which makes sense for a browser. It allows it to harmonize with a website without melting into the background completely, like other minimalist designs.



  • The main problems for me are the following:
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    • 1. It's rather difficult the change the size of the window, it's not easy to click and drag the border
    • 2. When the window is maximized, I cannot drag it down. Eg, I have to click restore first. Normal windows can be dragged down from a maximized stated in Windows 7 (perhaps Vista also? Not sure) and above
      [/ul]

    PS. Oh, and formatting in the forum doesn't work. I used the editor buttons to create an unordered list, the tags are there in the editor but not rendered here :)



  • I can drag to un-maximise, although I know that doesn't help you. :)

    But I do find the lack of edges disconcerting.



  • @Psider:

    I can drag to un-maximise, although I know that doesn't help you. :)

    But I do find the lack of edges disconcerting.

    Okay, my bad!
    I can do it as well, if I click exactly on the top border….
    But because that border is so small, I couldn't get it to work before and thought it was not possible. I was clicking in the tabs-bar.

    So larger borders would still be nice :)



  • Windows 7 Aero support would be nice, too. ;)



  • More like windows 8 or 10 support. :)



  • One thing I've noticed… on my netbook (XP) I get a fully-coloured menu and the page title when I de-select the Vivaldi button - but on Win7 machines, it's always a white menu and no page title!

    I see two possibilities: it's a difference between XP and Win7, or it's because the netbook has been over-installed since TP1 and the Win7 installs I've used were clean-installed slightly later (when the 64-bit version came along). To be clear - I have used both 64 and 32 bit installs in Win7, so that's not the issue.

    Edit: and I prefer the way it looks in XP, by the way...



  • I remember removing titlebar was often asked feature on old Opera's forums. I used to support it, but I was like 15 at the time. Removing the titlebar (and the rest of the window border) or inventing a completely new one is obtrusive.

    This is a chance to do something differently than other browsers. I really don't care that much about how the inside of the window looks (although customizability would be nice), but having no familiar frame results in immediate usability problem for me.



  • Vivaldi's garish, aggressive, and thus distracting top section is one of the main things I don't like about it, so I too would like something a little more normal.

    And I don't know about most browsers doing this as suggested above. Looking at Firefox, Chrome, and IE right now (Windows), they're models of restraint, looking "of" the operating system.

    Vivaldi looks like something else. I don't really get the look. Even the font used in the top area looks wrong, like it's blurry or something.


  • Moderator

    I turn off tab coloring and, thus, get nothing garish. On win 8.1, the interface actually looks pretty much at home (if a bit contrasty).

    The one thing I could wish for is if there were a little better delineation of the tabs when they are set at side.


  • Vivaldi Team

    Hi. We are working on skinning options, and also a slightly different look for when you disable Tab Colouring, to avoid the strong contrast you mention. Have a look at the attached image, which is an internal mockup and not finished – this should give a better experience when disabling colors.

    [attachment=845]ScreenShot2015-02-06at08.38.51.png[/attachment]
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  • Yes, that looks great, thanks. You can still tell which tab is active (which is of course important), but the high-contrast look is gone. So the sidebar, bookmark bar, and toolbar won't be very dark, drawing attention to themselves.



  • Excellent contrast balance! I personally look forward to a time when the colors of that kind of presentation can be user-selected (bars or skin or theme or whatever), but you're headed in the right direction.


  • Moderator

    Ahhhh. Much better.



  • Looking forward to this option. I have 20+ tabs open right now and as Ayespy pointed out, it is hard to tell where each one starts and stops.



  • Looks much better, just missing titlebar.

    @rseiler:

    Looking at Firefox, Chrome, and IE right now (Windows), they're models of restraint, looking "of" the operating system.

    Looks can be deceiving. Chrome only looks "of" the operating system if you use the latest Windows with all the eye candy turned on. When I as a power user turn off aero and eye candy silliness in Windows 7, I get the see the blue mess it is:

    Same with Chropera. Firefox gains some usability with hacky extensions.



  • @atlemo:

    Hi. We are working on skinning options, and also a slightly different look for when you disable Tab Colouring, to avoid the strong contrast you mention. Have a look at the attached image, which is an internal mockup and not finished – this should give a better experience when disabling colors.

    [attachment=845]ScreenShot2015-02-06at08.38.51.png[/attachment]

    ~
    [My Reply :]]:</strong></p>
<p>Looks pretty pleasant, to ME, in terms of contrast and colours.</p>
<p>And I actually LIKE the title bar gone, but I also like the Main Menu bar to stay.</p>
<p>Could we find a way to combine the Menu Bar and the Address Bar into ONE bar ?</p>
<p>Individually, each of those 2 bars currently has a lot of wasted space.</p>
<p>And could we make an option that the Tab Bar can move slightly downward, to relocate immediately above the web page content ? (where all tabbed browsers originally had it)</p>
<p>That would be just about perfect.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>:grinning[:)



  • ~
    Here is an example of how my above-posted suggestions could look.

    Viewing this forum using FireFox 24.8.1 ESR, with some extensions, gave me this layout, on a 1280x1024 monitor.

    I can achieve pretty much the same look using Australis UI FireFox with the CTR extension, or on PaleMoon or SeaMonkey, again with the appropriate extensions.

    This is the full screen, with Windows XP's taskbar on the Left, and everything in Windows set to Classic appearance.:

    [attachment=939]FF24.8.1ESRScreengrabXP2_2-2015-03-29aforVivaldiUIthread.jpg[/attachment]
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