My friends at Google: it is time to return to not being evil


  • Vivaldi Team

    A monopoly both in search and advertising, Google, unfortunately, shows that they are not able to resist the misuse of power.

    Click here to see the full blog post


  • Vivaldi Translator

    They removed their "don't be evil" policy. Now, they are dictating what should be said and done.
    It's censorship, at a global scale. Something urgent must be done.



  • Hate to say it but this is a big reason I was dubious about Vivaldi using Chromium as its basis.

    The other reason is stagnation when everyone is using the same browser engine. Opera was what it was because it was different...



  • No, i would not call it censorship by Google. I think Google is a personal filter bubble. Most Googlers feel happy with it if get what they like.

    The problem with Googles suggestion engine is the fact that you get what they think you need. And nobody sees consequences or users, Why? How is your brain learning? The more you see something the more the brain thinks it is real and needed. Thats how you are influenced,
    An other problem is paid content, means Google Ads. Google shows you products which are relevant for them, not for you.

    Over the years we could see Google's Search is not a good tool for finding something but good for tracking and in case of "content" a sublime influence on users.

    Sooo baaaad… would Potus say. Yeah, right.



  • I lost faith in Google a long time ago... Good thing there are still persons like you sir Von Tetzchner are dedicated to do things right. I cannot thank you enough!


  • Vivaldi Translator

    @mossman: I totally agree with you.
    But there is a big issue : building its own rendering engine would need at least 100 persons working for five years, just for that (no UI, nothing). For a company without any users, and so, without any revenues, it obviously isn't possible.
    So, the plan here is that it's built upon Chromium for now, and the more users, the more revenues, the more hires, allowing more and more tweaks until a fork (possibly). It's the only reasonable path.



  • Sadly, most people are too lazy to search for Google alternatives.
    Drop GDocs in favor of Zoho Docs or just use a local editor with a cloud service app.
    Stop using GMail, start using Zoho, Proton Mail or Vivaldi. Oh, and throw Facebook in the thrash bin.

    About regulating Google, I fear that would only lead to a ton of incompetency, but I'm thinking that breaking it up in its constituent parts and letting them compete might do the job.



  • I stoped using Google products since about 2010 when I realized search results in its search engine became nothing more than a shopping list.


  • Vivaldi Team

    @banz: Thank you for your kind words. It is not always easy to speak up, but I feel it is the right thing to do.


  • Vivaldi Translator

    In France, an association started "Dégooglelisont Internet" (https://degooglisons-internet.org/ you can switch the page to english) ("Lets ungoogle the Internet).
    You can find on their page lots of open source replacements for Google's (or others closed) tools.
    Don't hesitate to use them !



  • Then just refuse to bend to unacceptable condition, and leave your account suspended.
    It's your power to diminish them, doing what you do only makes it worse and give them just more power.



  • Jon and Vivaldi community, I'm interested to understand more about Mozilla's relationship with Google, your thoughts on the matter and any further reading you or the Vivaldi community can refer me to.

    You mention
    "Google increased their proximity with the Mozilla foundation" are you implying this is a negative or undesirable outcome? Do you feel that Google have aligned themselves more with Mozilla than other companies working on browsers, such as Apple?

    Do you think that Mozilla Firefox is able to render Google Docs and other Google web services more easily than Vivaldi?

    Thank you for your time and the fantastic work of your team in developing Vivaldi. I use Bing and Ecosia as my preferred two search engines ^__~

    Regards from chilly Melbourne, Australia!


  • Vivaldi Team

    @paragon: Let me be clear. Vivaldi is able to use those services just fine, but we have to hide our identity to access some of them. We found that we were being blocked, but hiding our identity allowed access.

    With regards to Mozilla, this is something that happened in the past. When Google was actively pushing Firefox, when they lived next door to each other and were close, that is when we started to see problems using Google services with Opera. I believe Mozilla and Google are no longer so close, but I am sure that Google services are not blocking Mozilla, given the market share of Mozilla and visibility.


  • Vivaldi Team

    @ii_arrows: Clearly that was an option. We did, however, want to find out how long this would take and what it would take to regain access.

    It is very special when a company has this kind of power. Luckily we are not depending on ads to grow, but rather on the quality of our products, but it is still important to make visible what is happening.



  • is this the reason I regularly get captcha checked as a suspicious user on youtube ?
    This is getting annoying tbh, if I make two search quickly I get a "are you a robot checkbox and then a captcha"...


  • Vivaldi Team

    @beatkitano: I would not think that is related.



  • Wait... What?
    is that "Microsoft" I'm hearing all over again?



  • @beatkitano That tends to happen as part of google's anti-spambot measures. Lots of other services do that, and I notice that a lot when I use my VPN.



  • This is all quite worrying to hear. The most annoying part of all this, is the fact that there isn't any transparency here. Were you given a reason why your account was suspended?


  • Vivaldi Team

    @lonm: At first there was not much at all, but gradually we were told what we needed to do to reopen. There was no message in the interface that we were blocked there was no warning and communication was minimal. We were being told that we need to know the rules, but when we asked what rules we had broken, we got vague answers, many of which we were told were not actual requirements, but seemingly required by us (none are followed by Google them selves on their browser site).


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