A new concept for Vivaldi which will allow him to become a browser №1 in the world !



  • Если создается новый браузер то его создатели должны ориентироваться на то, что создадут самый лучший браузер в мире. Opera в 2009-2010 годах была, пожалуй, близка к тому, чтобы стать абсолютным лидером. Что отличает для большинства неопытных обывателей Opera от всех других браузеров? Это 3 существенных отличия: 1) Боковая панель, открываемая по клику мышки, когда курсор в любом крайнем левом положении (для левой панели). В которой удобно представлены закладки в виде папок (директорий). А так же история и т.п. 2) Удобное представление всех загружаемых файлов на одной закладке. С возможностью указать путь по умолчанию для всех загрузок. 3) Возможность использовать прокси для обхода ограничения доступа к некоторым сайтам или ускорения работы, если ваш собственный канал плохо работает с данным сайтом. И все это по простому нажатию на одну кнопку Opera Turbo. Это единственные три существенных отличия, которые заметит каждый пользователь. Поэтому, если в Vivaldi воплотить этот функционал, то половина старых пользователей уже будет ваша. Я специально умалчиваю об огромном настраиваемом функционале Opera. Обыватель этого не видит, как правило, а чтобы выжить надо рассчитывать на большинство. Но этого не достаточно чтобы стать №1, этого недостаточно даже чтобы начать создавать новый браузер. Вот новые три концепции, которые могут позволить выйти в лидеры: 1) Превратить кнопку Turbo в Tor анонимайзер. Объединить свои усилия с Tor сообществом (https://www.torproject.org/), чтобы Vivaldi мог предоставлять пользователям безопасный и анонимный интернет по кнопке Tor (вместо Turbo). 2) Объединить свои усилия с проектом BOINC для распределённых вычислений в сети (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/). При чтении интернет сайтов CPU, как правило, отдыхает, его загрузка очень мала, можно встроить клиента прямо в браузер и на подобии закладки с загрузкой фалов открывать на специальной закладке. Специальный алгоритм должен будет отдавать процессорное время BOINC когда Vivaldi не нуждается в нём. Организовать общую статистику по всем Vivaldi чтобы пользователи видели прогресс и чувствовали удовлетворение от того что помогают искать лечение от РАКА, СПИДа и т.п. При этом для пользователей процесс будет прозрачен и не заметен, как большинство функционала, не используемого обывателями, но при этом будет тешиться самолюбие: «Нечего не делал, а всем помог». 3) Встроить в Vivaldi вырезку всей рекламы по аналогии расширения для Opera «NoAds Advanced» (https://addons.opera.com/ru/extensions/details/noads-advanced/?display=ru) Между прочим, около 1 миллиона загрузок. Только не в виде расширения, а как основную функцию браузера. Естественно устроить рекламную раскрутку, где описывать эти три новых возможности, предоставляемые только единственным в мире браузером Vivaldi. Но этого все еще не достаточно, чтобы выжить - надо зарабатывать. А поскольку, вырезав всю рекламу из нашего браузера, мы сильно разозлим фирмы поставляющие рекламу, то нужно выйти к ним с предложением, платить Vivaldi за показ их рекламы. Но тут надо подойти очень интеллектуально к показу рекламы в браузере. Потому как нельзя обманывать пользователя своего и если вы говорите, что вырезали всю рекламу, а потом станете пропускать те фирмы что вам заплатили, то это не кому не понравиться. Сама реклама чаще всего раздражает именно потому, что она не ко времени. К примеру вы ищите авто а вам рекламируют холодильник. Такая реклама вас только злит. Поэтому подход должен быть очень гибкий и основываться на том чем в данный момент заинтересован пользователь, где находиться, чего читает. И выдавать рекламу надо ненавязчиво, небольшим полупрозрачным намеком, только контекстную, без нелепых картинок. Например ищет авто и всплывает предложение «авто со скидкой 10%» легко читаемо, пользователь наверняка нажмет проверить что там за предложение. По сути, надоедливые баннеры на сайтах будут блокироваться Vivaldi, но сам браузер будет генерировать, исходя из текущей заинтересованности пользователя, контекстные предложения. Это может быть просто самая нижняя не убираемая статус строка в окне браузера или всплывающая строка. Или по выбору пользователя. Я думаю, все пользователи легко смеряться с единственной рекламной текстовой строкой, которая еще и пытается угадать ваш текущий интерес. Притом что вся реклама с сайтов пропадет . У меня есть еще не менее интересные идеи но для начала хватит думаю и этих. Если интересно обращайтесь. google translation: If you create a new browser that its creators should focus on what will create the best browser in the world. Opera in 2009-2010 was probably close to becoming the absolute leader. What distinguishes the majority of inexperienced Opera inhabitants from all other browsers? This 3 major differences: 1) Side panel that can be opened by clicking the mouse when the cursor in any extreme left position (the left panel). In which conveniently presented in the form of a bookmark folder (directory). And as history etc. 2) Easy view of all downloaded files on a single tab. With the ability to specify the default path for all downloads. 3) Ability to use a proxy to bypass access restrictions to certain sites or speed up if your own channel does not work with this site. And all this by simply clicking a single button Opera Turbo. These are the only three significant differences that notice each user. Therefore, if Vivaldi implement this functionality, then half of the old users will already be yours. I deliberately silent about the huge custom functionality Opera. Babbitt does not see this as a rule, and in order to survive we must rely on the most. But this is not enough to become №1, even this is not enough to start creating the new browser. Here are three new concepts that can afford to become a leader: 1) Turn the button in the Turbo Tor anonymizer. Join forces with Tor community (https://www.torproject.org/), to Vivaldi could provide users a safe and anonymous internet button Tor (instead of Turbo). 2) has joined forces with the project for the BOINC distributed computing network (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/). When reading internet sites the CPU, as a rule, rest, load is very small, you can build the client directly in the browser and on the similarity of downloading files of bookmarks to open a special tab. A special algorithm would have to give CPU time when Vivaldi BOINC does not need it. Organize overall statistics for all users to see Vivaldi progress and feel the satisfaction of helping that seek treatment for cancer, AIDS, etc. In this case, user process will be transparent and did not notice that most of the functionality that is not used townsfolk, but it will amuse vanity: "Nothing did, and everyone helped." 3) Integrate into Vivaldi cutting all advertising similar extensions for Opera «NoAds Advanced» (https://addons.opera.com/ru/extensions/details/noads-advanced/?display=ru) By the way, about 1 million downloads . Not only as an extension, but as a basic function of the browser. Naturally arrange advertising promotion, which describe these three new possibilities offered by only the world's only browser Vivaldi. But this is still not enough to survive - to earn. And since, cut out all the ads from our browser, we are very angry firms supplying advertising, then you need to go to them with a proposal to pay Vivaldi to show their advertising. But here we must go to the very intelligently displaying advertisements in the browser. Because you can not fool your user and if you say that you cut out all the ads, and then pass those firms will become what you paid, then this is not who does not like it. Advertising itself often annoying just because it did not at the time. For example you are looking for a car and you advertise a refrigerator. This kind of advertising you just angry. Therefore, the approach should be very flexible and based on what is currently interested user where to be, what to read. And the issue must be unobtrusive advertising, a small hint of a translucent, only context, without ridiculous pictures. For example look for cars and floats offer "car with 10% discount" is easily readable, the user presses sure to check what was on offer. In fact, annoying banner ads on the sites will be blocked Vivaldi, but the browser itself will generate, based on the current interest of the user, context sentences. It may just be the lowest status line is not cleaned in a browser window or pop-up line. Or the user's choice. I think all users easily smeryatsya sole advertising text string, which is also trying to guess your current interest. Despite the fact that all advertising from sites disappear . I have at least another interesting ideas but first and think enough of these. If interested, please contact.



  • Indeed those are some interesting ideas. I'm interested to see if anything comes of any of them.



  • Any ideas depends on how insightful people responsible for choosing the motion vector.



  • Expect anything, but not "dead silence".

    Is the desire to see the browser Vivaldi №1 in the world who do not have?

    And the worst thing for so many days silent officials Vivaldi!

    This means that either the Vivaldi developers are not interested to work on the browser and just trying to use the old image by overlaying on the skin in the form of Chromium style Opera. Or developers do not go to their forum and are not interested in what happens on it.
    In both cases - is deplorable.



  • "Is the desire to see the browser Vivaldi №1 in the world who do not have?"

    Actually, no. The developers have a desire, first and foremost, to create a browser with the options they and their friends miss since Opera 12 was obsoleted. That's why the motto, "A new browser for our friends." Once that initial express goal is achieved, I'm sure they will be interested in where next to go.



  • I understand about the workload of developers to work with the new project. Himself happened to be developed. I understand that each request to move the button back to the socket here they do not respond.

    But it was a strategic proposal, and I waited for an answer week!
    If people want something that dostitch, even with a full load current tasks, they should think about the future. If you adhere to the policy when it's time and think about it, nothing will come of reach.

    And I believe that the answer within a week, it does not write the code in the program, can be briefly, At least say that they say have seen, we think.
    But the impression that it is not seen. And this is called under his nose is nothing not to see :)



  • And by the way, is why everyone is silent about the ideas themselves?

    You get to like them? You all of their support? Or have a suggestion or idea how to replace yours.



  • Since you seem to feel no-one's listening, here's my feedback:

    TOR - interesting, and in fact I've seen this suggested in a couple of other posts. I'm not sure how many people would actually use it (I played with it once a long time ago and the main thing I noticed was how bloody slow it was) but I can see that it would stand for both innovation and supporting the free internet - so it probably has some merit

    BOINC - another noble cause but I'm not sure what the point would be of integrating it into a browser… if I understand correctly it's already a client which runs as a separate process (to be able to use those "free cycles") so mixing it with the browser just complicates things - why would you want to do that anyway? I don't see any advantage...

    Ad blocking - mentioned many, many times already in the forums... mostly by AdBlock users. Personally, I believe it's better if it's integrated. The same people pioneered this way back in early Opera Presto, so I expect this to be a feature of Vivaldi (without needing an extension)



  • TOR - Today is very fast, not the one that a few years ago. He is supported by a large community. For example, the average page displayed for 1 second. Of course, if you download a gigabyte file, the speed is not enough. But online video viewing or reading html very comfortable.

    BOINC - the fact is that all too lazy to install a separate client, in addition to many probably do not want to, he constantly worked on the computer, and interfered with for example play or other tasks requiring all the power of the computer. And while browsing the Internet is virtually idle CPU time and this can be used. A user that will not stop caring and that the client is constantly in mind. Because when you close the program Vivaldi customer also will be closed and removed from memory.
    The main thing this approach: "Users do not interfere, but help others." The user does not even have to feel and understand, or that it believes the browser Malekula DNA. Besides reading the Internet, not only the CPU is free and GPU, which will effectively lead the calculations.

    Ad blocking - it is clear our views coincide, as I think and many more. The only thing that I suggested to the survival of the browser to enter a single text line advertising.



  • If Vivaldi integrated a BOINC client, the first thing that would happen is thousands of forum posts complaining that Vivaldi is using all their system resources! :lol:

    Perhaps a better option, if Vivaldi would like to support it, would be a button in the Vivaldi installer to get/update BOINC as well - with a nice description about why it's a good thing to do.



  • Perhaps you're right, that someone is complaining, but you can not boot the system 100% but only by 50-70%. For example, two of the cores in the processor 4 + GPU.

    Perhaps part of the audience will be lost if you do not make BOINC is disabled. But if you do disables many even without the need may be turned off. But you want to accelerate progress and not slow down :)


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