Anyone willing to venture a guess?



  • Does anyone have a guess how long it may take for Vivaldi to reach the the point where the browser will be developed enough to release a stable version 1? 12-18 months maybe?? Will it likely go through beta versions before then? While it has a long way to go (and I hope has a long term strategy to innovate continuously always taking user feedback and ideas seriously) I am using it a lot already and am very happy with it even now. I don't like getting older but I can hardly wait to see it in two years. :)


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    I'm almost willing to bet a stable will hit in 6 months. But for a couple of irritating quirks, it's nearly stable now. I have already assigned it as my default browser - it's that reliable - even though I have to keep a backup browser standing by for a couple of things.

    I'm sure there will be a Beta for a month or two before stable hits, but I think what will happen is that the TP stream will be re-branded Beta when it's ready, and we'll have snapshots, Beta and later Stable.

    Frankly, once my annoyances are cared for, I won't care WHAT they call it. I will be using it exclusively.



  • Hmm … knowing these people, they will try to have a version before Christmas. Too soon to be more exact. My question is, will we get mail in 1.0 (final) or will they run out of time and have to wait until 1.1?



  • @Ayespy:

    But for a couple of irritating quirks, it's nearly stable now. I have already assigned it as my default browser - it's that reliable - even though I have to keep a backup browser standing by for a couple of things. … Frankly, once my annoyances are cared for, I won't care WHAT they call it. I will be using it exclusively.

    I would say my experience mirrors yours. I am using V almost exclusively now. It's been very reliable except for crashing on the links at the bottom of the V blog of all places. Webpages load fast in V. O12 is starting to have problems with some websites and V isn't. I really hope to get bookmark sorting soon as well as smoother bookmarking operation. Those are my biggest wishes. All the rest I can wait for.



  • @sgunhouse:

    Hmm … knowing these people, they will try to have a version before Christmas. Too soon to be more exact. My question is, will we get mail in 1.0 (final) or will they run out of time and have to wait until 1.1?

    A mail component will be a lot of work. I know many want it but personally I don't need it since I have a standalone program I don't plan to stop using anytime soon. So I would not mind if it is delayed. But for those that do want it I hope the wait won't be too long.


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    @g_bartsch:

    @sgunhouse:

    Hmm … knowing these people, they will try to have a version before Christmas. Too soon to be more exact. My question is, will we get mail in 1.0 (final) or will they run out of time and have to wait until 1.1?

    A mail component will be a lot of work. I know many want it but personally I don't need it since I have a standalone program I don't plan to stop using anytime soon. So I would not mind if it is delayed. But for those that do want it I hope the wait won't be too long.

    Since it's "done" enough to have already been accidentally released in the Mac version once, it can't actually be all that far off.



  • @Ayespy:

    I'm almost willing to bet a stable will hit in 6 months.

    I think Ilya said something about "this summer" in the Russian forums. (I don't speak Russian though, so I'm not able to find these words now.)



  • I'm a tester, I've seen it more than once since the initial TP in Windows (and it wasn't hidden prior to that). It is coming along … but they will not release it in a final until it has been thoroughly tested in public snapshots and betas.

    They hid mail so they could concentrate on the browser at first. They may reach a point where they feel the browser is stable enough (and has enough of the features they want) that they could do a browser-only final. If they do that before they've even released the first official mail previews, then of course they should release a browser-only final. Likewise if mail is public but still has too many bugs when the rest of the browser is ready, they won't hold the final up for too long waiting for mail. I can understand all that, but I do know how much people here want the integrated mail client - not just myself. If the mail client is public and almost ready by then, go ahead and hold up the final a couple of weeks to be able to include mail.

    But from this distance, I have no idea which of those it will be by then.


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    All guesses are far from what Ilya said as his own "tip" (which might not be just a tip). First final version is planned to come sooner than you might want to imagine. (of course there is a rule saying it will be released "WIR" and plans may change).

    To be honest I'm not fighting for final version at all. But in my opinion they have to find a good balance between "stable enough" to bring new users and "first not so good experience" which will shoo away them.
    We are far from profitable numbers of users now and final version will bring new users and only the real quality of Vivaldi browser will tell if they are going to be loyal users or not. You just can't change your reputation (easily) so first final version will be more than important.


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    With a half million downloads in the first week, there's a market. With 12M - 20M unhappy classic Opera users who have been dying for a suitable replacement, there's a market. It is in fact a bigger market than the one which is keeping sorry excuse for a "feature rich" browser Maxthon profitable.

    This is the market Jon has chosen. All that remains is to adopt the best strategy to access it.

    Your opinion that his purpose and mission are ill-advised is both unsolicited and unwanted. It is also impolite and counter-productive to approach someone who has taken on a challenge advise them to give it up as doomed to failure. Thank you for your opinion/advice. My advice? STFU.


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    @Sajadi:

    What? I just wanted to say it is not the most easy thing to get users to switch to a browser. If i would not be interested in such a concept i would not be here. I for my part got frustrated by Mozilla's simplification madness and was rather happy to see in Vivaldi a browser upcoming where the devs had a healthy mentality for implementing features.

    So, there is not the tiniest bit of reason to get angry. Before getting mad, i give you the advice to read stuff carefully before getting agressive. Better for your health :)

    Sorry. Should not have lost my temper. I think at this stage at least, Vivaldi ABSOLUTELY will be a niche browser. That is the entire intent of "A new browser for our friends." The niche is likely to arrive at its max niche size (and incidentally profitability) rather rapidly, I think, at which time Jon will have to decide if he wants to remain content with his few million friends, or if he wants to get big eyes.



  • @Ayespy:

    It is in fact a bigger market than the one which is keeping sorry excuse for a "feature rich" browser Maxthon profitable.

    I haven't looked into Maxthon's profitability but if it can be profitable then Vivaldi surely can. I played with Maxthon for a few minutes some time back and then again recently before forgetting about it - again; likely forgetting permanently this time. Go Vivaldi.


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