How M2 could be improved on for Vivaldi


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    Once I had to abandon Opera 12, I wound up with a makeshift solution to keep email and browser visible in the same window. I used the left 25% the window to keep the mail accounts, folders and message list visible, and the rest of the screen for the browser. It didn't occur to me until somewhat later that, on old Opera, you actually could not see the message list at the same time as a web page - just the mail accounts and folders list. It strikes me that if any part of the M2 interface could be kept visible in the side panel, then ANY part of the M2 interface could be kept visible in the side panel, if developers wished it, including the message list. If possible, I think this ought to be an option when mail comes to Vivaldi. We should be able, when message list is set on left in the mail client, to see the accounts and folders list, PLUS the message list in the left side panel.


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    Oh, yeah - and while I'm thinking of it, it's also important that when one has tabs on side and also has email open, that the tabs NOT be covered. Similarly with the bookmarks toolbar. One needs to see email accounts and lists, viewpane/webpage, tabs, bookmarks toolbar all at the same time. In old Opera, tabs were not covered by email, but the bookmarks bar WAS. The only way one could still see one's bookmarks at the same time as email was to move the bookmarks to the (superseded) personal bar, enable it, and disable the more-recently-developed bookmarks bar.



  • Yes.

    I would go further.

    We should have an (optional) dual panel view where each one of them could be used for the email UI, for the Web UI or a combination of them.


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    Not sure I understand. Could you clarify?



  • I posted this elsewhere

    Think to it, not just as a dual web view, but as a generic dual viewer.

    With the email shown on the left or two different email shown on both panels.

    In the image the side panel is hidden, but would show the email folders…


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    Hm - I suppose such a thing could work, so long as it was adjustable in terms of how much screen each thing got. Even in my wide format display, a half screen is not enough for email, or for the web, either one. I think at any given time, one or the other needs at least two thirds of the display. The genius of old Opera (and of the cobbled-together solution I use now, with overlapping apps) is that neither function entirely hides the other, but when either has focus, it occupies enough screen real estate to work properly. So if you had a split screen, you might really want, eg the email, to be extended to its useful width, tho hidden under a web page that had focus. then when you click on the email it gains focus and the other side of the split recedes behind it.



  • Yes.

    As you said the panel in focus could be expanded dynamically, depending on the focus, or a quick manual command can be implemented.

    Say, a toggle button meant to switch between 1/3 + 2/3 or 1/4 + 3/4 of the screen size.

    The utilities Win Split Revolution or MaxTO are meant, more or less for that purpose, but using two separate apps.

    I tried the former to try to work with Opera Mail + Opium


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    @The_Solutor:

    Yes.

    The utilities Win Split Revolution or MaxTO are meant, more or less for that purpose, but using two separate apps.

    I tried the former to try to work with Opera Mail + Opium

    Oh? How did it work?



  • Well… is matter of being used, I still prefer Opera, but is a nice utility not just for the web+email scenario.

    Likely the best thing is to try it (or them) for awhile, personally.


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    WinSplit Revolution is discontinued. I just took the MaxTo video tour, and it would not do what I'm suggesting.

    These would be the screen states I would need…

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  • winsplit is freeware (just google for it)

    and resizes dinamically the windows.

    To be clear, the windows will be tiled, not overlapped. I'm from a tiny phone right now, so is hard to understand your images.


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    Yeah. Tiled windows simply would not work unless the divider in the tiling MOVED. What my images show is that you can see all of the email and the tabs and panel bar of the browser, or you can see all of the browser, and accounts+email list of email. When you get a chance you can take a look at it on a desktop. It almost replicates what Opera 12 does with email vs web right now.

    And, oh yeah, the WinSplit Revolution website says on its landing page:

    "Looking for
    WinSplit Revolution?
    WinSplit Revolution has unfortunately been discontinued, and there are no new updates coming to this great product.
    The good news? There is a good alternative!
    MaxTo"



  • @Ayespy:

    And, oh yeah, the WinSplit Revolution website says on its landing page:

    "Looking for
    WinSplit Revolution?
    WinSplit Revolution has unfortunately been discontinued, and there are no new updates coming to this great product.
    The good news? There is a good alternative!
    MaxTo"

    I meant google for the file, not for the website.

    http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/winsplit_revolution.html

    Anyway, looks like it's unable to catch Vivaldi's window (likely because the uncommon, non native UI), while works with Opium, Operamail and, more or less, anything else.

    BTW, looking at your screenshots, I assume your windows are placed manually, or are you using another tool ?


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    I place them manually.


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