A short question about pronunciation

  • Hi everyone,

    yesterday I had a little discussion with my brother about languages in general and some misunderstandings that may appear through the same pronunciation of words with different meanings.

    One thing was left unresolved so I thought that I just ask you to maybe clear it up a bit.

    Do you pronounce one's and once the same way?

    And a little add on that irritated me while writing this:
    Can somebody please explain me why pronunciation lacks the OU combination in front of the second N but pronounce has it? Is there a rule for the shortening or is this just something that "just is this way and nobody knows why" ?

    Thanks for reading and answering in advance ^^

  • One's and once are pronounced differently.

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    @zaibon: "One's" is like "wunz"

    Once is like "wuntce."

  • @Ayespy @g_bartsch
    Damnit .... now I need to pay for the cinema tickets and a beer this evening. ^^
    Never the less thanks for the help and the very good phonetic spelling example because I am really bad at reading the "normal" phonetic alphabet.

  • @zaibon said in A short question about pronunciation:

    cinema tickets

    What are you seeing?

    Ayespy's explanation was excellent. I confess i read your query soon after you posted, but decided not to reply, as i said to myself; "oh goodness, how would i even begin to explain the vagaries of English's multiple broken rules for spelling & vocalisation, merely using my keyboard?". AS solved it very nicely.

    All i will say though is that [& this is part of my underlying reason for previously, in separate posts, expressing such awe at so many non-native English speakers' command of English] English is a proper bugger of a language to learn, because it has sooooooo many exceptions to its "rules". That is, just as soon as you think you've understood a particular "rule" governing placement of vowels near consonants, or pronunciation of some vowels with a flat or rounded sound, etc, along comes an exception... then another... then another. It means that to become a competent English language user, one needs not only to learn all the "rules", but also all the exceptions. That's gotta be really tough to accomplish, for people who grew up with an entirely different "rulebook"!!!

  • @Steffie The movie we'll be seeing is Ghost in the Shell, years ago I read the books and I really hope they didn't screwed it up. :cold_sweat:
    And regarding the strange rules of the english language - I guess that every language has a few parts where someone can rise an eyebrow over the absurd rules. ^^

  • @Steffie English is not a complicated language, and because of that most English speakers have a hard time learning other languages. One of the advantages of English is that objects have no gender -- a major obstacle in other languages. There may be various exceptions to rules, but basic conjugation is logical and very simple.

    Of course, I'd argue mastering any language is equally hard, but if we consider the basics, English might be one of the easiest languages to learn, especially if your mother tongue has Indo-European roots.

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    I speak one's with a s (warm sounding s – sorry my english is rusty) at end and once with a sharp-sounding s.

    But i fear high-order Oxford English wizards may scream :scream: and tell us :school: something different about the pronunciation.

  • @Gwen-Dragon -- Well, fwiw, i continue to feel, even if i'm just naive, that's it's simply wonderful that here we all are, communicating so freely & effectively. Yay.

  • @luetage said in A short question about pronunciation:

    ...most English speakers have a hard time learning other languages. One of the advantages of English is that objects have no gender -- a major obstacle in other languages...

    Just because of my reading of your writings, I have a great impression of your ability to work with written words. Not that I have credentials formally authorized to judge this. It's kind of a sixth sense. And I think that works.

    For you affirm the content you expressed regarding comparisons between English and other languages, I ask, if permitted, how many languages beyond English you have knowledge?

    It's just a friendly question. Just curiosity. If the reason for the question does not encourage you to respond, patience!

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