How Vivaldi got its Lights
I’ve always been deeply fascinated by color. I enjoyed working on the theme engine in Vivaldi and was thrilled to see how our users customized it. Yesterday we released 1.5 where we took Vivaldi one step further. By integrating with the Philips Hue system, themes can now reach outside of the browser and into your home.
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Thank you for sharing the story about the Philips Hue feature integration and the explanations. It's very interesting to read about it.
It feels like the mail client is right in front of the door.
Thank you for your passion and hard work. Cheers
Finally! A browser that can make coffee. Just plug your coffee maker into your smart light socket and switch it on without breaking off from your work or play.
ra100 last edited by
Could this be leveraged also for another lights (LIFX)? Or is there API which I could access from extension?
Ah, the infamous Philips lightbulbs with DRM.
Currently Vivaldi is making the connection. As I understood the market LIFX is a good competitor to Hue, the main difference being that Hue runs a ZigBee mesh network and LIFX connects to your existing wifi. If there is enough demand I'm sure we'll look into other systems. I was impressed with this setup https://twitter.com/vivaldi_fr/status/769198463468838912
Hope I didn't promise too much! Once it works reasonably well we will probably ask for your help to track down the final bugs. Jon is already using it on a daily basis and let me tell you he is an excellent bug reporter.
ra100 last edited by
hm, Adalight looks nice too, I'd love to try it with Lightpack, but again that is somthing different.
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hm. What about Mi.Light?
Which is a bit cheaper alternative. It has it's own "bridge" as the Philips has… I'm not sure about API and how time consuming it would be since you have already done this with Philips hue… But support more (and especially Mi.Light) would be amazing!
nice work anyway with the Philips Hue!
Apparently you haven't heard or care about the security issues with IOT and hacking', lights are a BIG one. I know HUE are safer than most but IF I could find the article how they all leave the system wide open I would. Makes me think ANOTHER BRILLIANT idea SORRY not MINE!!! In my un-professional opinion people ought to know the problems BEFORE jumping in….
_The researchers demonstrate attacking bulbs by drone or ground station. The demo
attacks Philips Hue lightbulbs, the most popular smart lighting system in the market
Philips Hue use Zigbee for networking. Zigbee is a wireless protocol designed for
low-powered Internet of Things devices, and it has many built-in security features. The
most important of these is that once a device is initialized as part of a Zigbee network, it
can't be hijacked onto a rival network unless you can bring a controller into close
proximity to it (a couple centimeters away). However, there is a fatal flaw in the Zigbee
implementation in the Hue system, and the researchers showed that they could hijack the bulbs from nearly half a kilometer away (this attack is only possible because Zigbee
doesn't encrypt all traffic between devices).
The Hue system also has safeguards to prevent malicious tampering: updates have to be cryptographically signed using a very strong algorithm or they will be rejected by Hue
systems. The researchers were easily able to extract the signing keys -- which are the
same for all Philips Zigbee products -- and use them to sign their own malicious updates.
Thus armed, the researchers were able to take over any Philips Hue system.
There are many ways that a hijacked Hue system can be used to cause mischief. Zigbee uses the same radio spectrum as wifi, so a large mesh of compromised Zigbees could simply generate enough radio noise to jam all the wifi in a city. Attackers could also brick all the Hue devices citywide. They could use a kind of blinking morse code to transmit data stolen from users' networks. They could even induce seizures in people with photosensitive epilepsy.
The fact that the attack targets devices by Zigbee signals -- rather than over the internet
-- means that it is virtually impossible to defend against through traditional methods like
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Great, now I'm hyped for mail. Again.
Looking forward to read the article about that:D
Oh I think it is nifty, but those that have IOT light at all ought to read this article and be forewarned crashing system city wide etc. doesn't seem fun to me. A person can hook themselves up to a rocket and base jump with rocket wings nice. But unlike a network no one it forcing them to put them on you and push you off the cliff with no choice. I have way too much business on mine to allow another entry point….the criminal hackers are getting way to good at this and we are making it way to easy to do so.
Why do you consentrate on something (integrated email) only a few people will find interresting? Is this Vivaldi or a Opera.clone? I want to be able to place icons in the bar the way I want to arrange them. I have more to say, but this will do for now.
In my opinion it's obvious you have never used integrated email in browser. If you had you'd consider that a stupid question.Maybe you are being facetious.
Do you really have to have a totally regulated world where you can't move a limb, think without Google or read a map or shut off a light…I'll feel sorry for you when systems takes over ( it has already) or .an E flare takes the system out complely. It's not even a Zero day you've already been notified!!!
It will be a great day when someone seems to not agree with you locks you in your autonomous car and take you to the prison. No cash no money cause you were to damn lazy to carry something more untraceable CASH. Or if YOUR bank account gets wiped out by thieves.
Security has to be done BEFORE rather than reactive. A mass of IOT devices to satisfy egos and latest new fad only essential....prove that more devices don't add more complexity.
If you can't see that you have already given up all independence and will NEVER see it coming.
I saw that article, and it is unfortunate that the system was hacked. It is worth noting that due to the bridge and separate mesh network the damage is limited to modifying lights, and requires a potential hacker to be within range. I assume the Philips engineers are working on hardening security.
I think it might work better the other way around, in that users with a couple of lights installed will have an incentive to give Vivaldi a try.
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This Hue feature is good! I think this feature is able to be used as the following use case.
・The sharing PC in a store is highlighted by this feature. Especially, it is effective in Fashion brand's store, and Bar or dance clubs.
・Some hearing-impaired persons use a light as interphone of entrance. When the visitor come and push the button of interphone, the light in their room would to blink. I think It is useful for them that If web notification come, Hue would to blink.
So, I hope you write how to use this feature on this blog. I think it makes more easier to use this feature for many users.
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Nice features once again. It would be nice option to give tab stack a title and maybe certain image/colour or something else. My current workflow is to have separate window for separate "task", surfing, studies, work etc. and those contains a lot of tabs. It would be tempting to have just one window and stacks. But current tab stack that just show one tabs information doesn't easily tell what stack it is.
I was going to let this blow over because people don't like their pet projects questioned in ANY way and if you make a comment it completely blows over their heads cause they refuse to hear a point or can't.
Seems like as always the youth can't learn a thing from elders so….I'll let EXPERTS testimony to the US congress on Internet security give my viewpoint and MAYBE if they read it they will understand what I mean and it won't blow over their heads The link and EXCERPTS are below.
These guys have forgotten in their sleep more than you will ever know about keeping the internet alive and secure.... could also send more by Black Ice Firewall developer and top cryptologist did bolw-fish algorithm and others agrees.
I am not an enemy I'm trying to think of future and help not unless you want to repeat others mistakes.
Bruce Schneier (/ˈʃnaɪər/; born January 15, 1963) is an American cryptographer, computer security and privacy specialist, and writer. He is the author of several books on general security topics, computer security and cryptography.
Schneier is a fellow at the Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard Law School, a program fellow at the New America Foundation's Open Technology Institute. He has been working for IBM since they acquired Resilient Systems where Schneier was CTO. He is also a contributing writer for The Guardian news organization.
● The Daily Dot: <quote>Speaking before members of Congress, the internet pioneer
made clear the dangers of the internet of things: 'The internet era of fun and games is
● Internet pioneer Bruce Schneier issued a dire proclamation in front of the House of
Representatives’ Energy & Commerce Committee Wednesday: “It might be that the
internet era of fun and games is over, because the internet is now dangerous.”
Here’s how he framed the Internet of Things, or what he later called the “world of
● [Bruce] The more we connect things to each other, the more vulnerabilities in one thing affect other things. We’re talking about vulnerabilities in digital video recorders and webcams that allowed hackers to take websites. … There was one story of a vulnerability in an Amazon account [that] allowed hackers to get to an Apple account, which allowed them to get to a Gmail account, which allowed them to get to a Twitter account. Target corporation, remember that attack? That was a vulnerability in their HVAC contractor that allowed the attackers to get into Target. And vulnerabilities like this are hard to fix. No one system might be at fault. There might be two secure systems that come together to create insecurity.
● [Bruce] It was OK when it was fun and games. But already there’s stuff on this device that monitors my medical condition, controls my thermostat, talks to my car: I just crossed four regulatory agencies, and it’s not even 11 o’clock. This is something that we’re going to need to do something new about. And like many new agencies in the 20th century, many new agencies were created: trains, cars, airplanes, radio, nuclear power. My guess is that [the internet] is going to be one of them. And that’s because this is different. This is all coming. Whether we like that the technology is coming, it’s coming faster than we think. I think government involvement is coming, and I’d like to get ahead of it. I’d like to start thinking about what this would look like.
**We’re now at the point where we need to start making more ethical and political decisions about how these things work. When it didn’t matter—when it was Facebook, when it was Twitter, when it was email—it was OK to let programmers, to give them the special right to code the world as they saw fit. We were able to do that. But now that it’s the world of dangerous things—and it’s cars and planes and medical devices and everything else—maybe we can’t do that anymore.
To sum it up : [Bruce] I don’t like this. I like the world where the internet can do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, at all times. It’s fun. This is a fun device. But I’m not sure we can do that anymore.” .** :idea::shock:</quote>