Snapshot 1.0.418.3 - Focusing on individual requirements, not statistics



  • @zaibon:

    May it be a workaround that you enter the IP-adress instead of "myserver" ?
    Of course this is annoying the frist time but vivaldi should remember that and when you type it the next time after one or two numbers there should be a suggestion for your destination.
    (This works for me accessing my router - because typing "fritzbox" results in the same misunderstanding as you described it, so I have to enter IP-adress)

    Yes, that could be a solution but my intranet server is multihosted. Some domain name resolve to the same IP address, so, at least for me is not a solution.
    This is curious because Opera used to solve this issue pretty well. It learnt that some words must be hostname… I miss old Opera...



  • @zaibon:

    May it be a workaround that you enter the IP-adress instead of "myserver" ?
    Of course this is annoying the frist time but vivaldi should remember that and when you type it the next time after one or two numbers there should be a suggestion for your destination.
    (This works for me accessing my router - because typing "fritzbox" results in the same misunderstanding as you described it, so I have to enter IP-adress)

    Yes, that could be a solution but my intranet server is multihosted. Some domain name resolve to the same IP address, so, at least for me is not a solution.
    This is curious because Opera used to solve this issue pretty well. It learnt that some words must be hostname… I miss old Opera...



  • Mmh seems indeed like your only options are to type http:// in front or to make it a speed-dial or bookmark (wasn't there an option to "always prefer bookmarks" ?)



  • Finally middle click issue fixed: pasting/creating bookmark in bookmark panel and address bar. It was very painfull on Linux. Thanks Vivaldi team.
    Switching back from Firefox to Vivaldi.



  • Vivaldi is now my default browser. Is it possible to build a translation function, as in Google Chrome? If the effectiveness of the browser very increase.



  • Is anyone else having trouble with embedded video on Twitter? This is on MacOSX. It used to be a general malaise with most embedded video, but that's mostly gone away in all cases I see - except Twitter and Twitter alone.


  • Moderator

    You know that over the years, Ruari (decades?) your path and mine only intersected occasionally. You're a Linux dude and my daily platform is Windows (though I have two Linux machines which I only turn on occasionally, to keep them updated). But I REALLY thought hard about responding to the OP on this, and then got busy with my actual job. I, for one, NEVER got the impression that you were ever anything but as helpful as possible, and scrupulously honest. I know how much tension must have been generated by the conflict between being loyal to a company with such a rich and positive history as Opera had, and wanting to contribute to an unquestionably good product. You are lucky Vivaldi came along, as are we.

    Not for nothing, but I worked for a single dude/firm for 16 years and 7 months, and was loyal to him completely. Over time, he became sufficiently unbalanced and paranoid, and his operating procedures became so confining and rigid (up to and including finally asking me to lie about my findings on a certain job) that I finally had no choice but to leave. I found a new position before abandoning the old one, and I have earned more and been able to respect my own integrity more, ever since. So I feel like I know something about how it must have been for you, your last two years at Opera. And I hold you in the highest regard. Thanks for caring about the users.


  • Moderator

    0. Are you using a standalone install?
    1. Yes. On Windows, it always adds a startpage at startup, but otherwise works. Because of the extra page, I don't use it. I use startup with last session.
    2. Yes, I use the homepage icon. I have it set to chrome://dummystartpage. It works fine.
    3. Links on startpage work fine.
    4. Vivaldi installed normally. I see from other comments here there is a problem with standalone. That is important data, missing from OP's initial comment.
    5. Windows. What OS is OP on? Do you know? When people have an atypical install, they need to mention this when complaining of problems.
    6. No. Just a user who tries to help when possible.



  • First of all sorry, I never intended to make it sound as rude as it might came out. My apologies. And thank you for taking your time for that long and detailed explanation. I must admit that it wouldn't be fair to make you responsible for everything that went, in my opinion as an outsider, wrong with Opera.
    The reason why I had you on my mind when thinking about Opera Desktop team probably was the fact that it was mostly you who represented the team in their blog in the last few months before you left. That's of course positive. It was you who posted most of the snapshots and you who did respond to a lot of comments including mine.

    And of course it isn't an easy decision to leave the company that you did work for for such a long time. Even I hoped that Opera Blink would get much better over time. It reminded me of Opera 11 (or was it 11.5?) when a lot was new or has changed and was rather buggy for a while. I thought that Opera Blink would get sorted out just like Opera 11.6x and 12 did.

    For me Opera ASA was always the perfect example of how a company that builds a product for their customers should be like. Whenever I criticized others I said "just look how the Desktop team at Opera does it. You could learn a lot from them"
    As a user I always felt that I was, just like every other user, part of the team. That was something unique, something that made Opera special and the browser of my choice for a long time. At that time a job at Opera ASA would have been the best I could imagine.

    Anyway, I'm glad that there is Vivaldi now. And that we have people like you still around.
    Sorry once again for being a little to rude. Partly cause English is, as you can clearly see, not my native language.
    And thank you very much for explaining yourself when you didn't have to 😉



  • Not sure what to think about that adblocker. Guess I should at least give it a try before I can truly judge that move by Opera.

    For now it looks a bit suspicious to me.
    Opera's main business isn't their browser but mainly their adserving business. Mostly Opera Mediaways in particular. How could we as users believe that their interest is to block ads and cannibalize their own profits?

    Makes me wonder if the user is really in full control about which ads to block and which not.
    The worst case would be that they try to do something similar to the whitelist that Adblock Plus uses. Opera Mediaways could offer premium placements for ads that can bypass their own adblicking tool.

    Another question would be if a browser developer should take control of what their users might or might not get to see (netneutrality anyone?)

    But as I said, it isn't fair to judge their efforts without trying that adblocker at least one.



  • 2 YEARS LATER:

    • still no ability to have per-site customization similar to what Opera 12 had
    • still no fast and reliable local RSS aggregator
    • still no option to put any buttons you like ANYWHERE
    • still no advanced cookie handling mechanism? Oh, did I say advanced? I mean ANCIENT one, back from 2005 from old Opera.

    Few years passed and yet NOT A SINGLE BROWSER EVEN MANAGED TO GET CLOSE TO THE FUNCTIONALITY OLD OPERA HAD.

    This is just sad.



  • I want adblocking that is very convenient and makes the web much faster. As great adblocking as possible. I especially love it when it blocks YouTube ads, and just overall makes the browser much less annoying to navigate.

    As for the features, sure, I mean, Vivaldi has been going really fast in adding the features they currently have now. I know mail and sync are the biggest, and I'm guessing once those are done, they can focus more energy on other stuff, and it'll be at least faster in those areas now that they don't have too much focus on mail and sync. But if it were possible to add all those cool features that O12 had, like advanced bookmarks panel, O12's amazing tab cycling, better font rendering, etc. Okay, maybe not ALL of O12's features, but a majority of them would be awesome.

    Didn't it take 20 years to develop a browser mature enough to have all those modern features? I'm sure it would take much faster doing it a second time than the first time, but we'll see.



  • Hold it there. They just built a browser from scratch, excluding the engine. They're a small company, but they will get to the point of expansion. Just hold on, I'm sure they'll eventually get all the features O12 had, whether that'll be in version 2.0 or 3.0 or whatever.



  • Wow dude, you should totally create a thread in the forums on what you just wrote. 🙂



  • Just of plain curiosity when you switch to "start with hompage" instead of "start with last session" do you also get this "ghost tab" ?



  • What happened from Beta 3 to this snapshot? This version is almost unusuable, Freezes, shut down regularly, videos don't work, when i close the tab, site is still visible until i click on another tab?? I loved Vivaldi, hope the final works fine again


  • Moderator

    They updated the underlying engine from Chromium 48 to Chromium 49. Every update of the underlying engine breaks tons of stuff. They should have most, if not all, of it fixed in the next snapshot.



  • There was this very useful feature in Opera - Ctrl + Shift +V to "Paste & Go". Could we have that, please? Also, the feature on an extension that I used very often - "Long press to open tab in background". Something similar would be welcome. Thanks for developing Vivaldi. Had been feeling a bit low after Opera moved from Gecko. Am hoping Vilvaldi will be everything that Opera was to me till version 12.16 - and more! Regards and have a good day.



  • Nope, the problem still persists with uBlock disabled. Interestingly, on the said website, if I turn on blocking of remote fonts, then it blocks the time-stamp "19, 2005" and the number of upvotes and downvotes as well. Whereas without blocking remote fonts, the apostrophe, period, quotes, and question mark in the definition are blocked.



  • Big +1 on that Ctrl+Shift+V (or Ctrl+D for those who were with Opera for a long time). The address bar input field could also be treat differently for Gesture Commands. I used to have gesture-right,gesture-down for paste and go in Opera. I miss that a lot.


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