Windows 7 not supported? (only Metro-style GUI)
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@The_Solutor that's not how Opera 12 looked for me. This is how:
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or this
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But what the hell is THIS?
Is a theme in line with the times.
I'm aganist the pointless innovations, but I'm well aware that the tastes are evolving.
Think to a rounded car from 1960 or so and look it with the eyes of a person from 1970.
A good car is always a good car, but its look is also important.
Now, my opinion is that while the MetroUI itself is oversimplified and mostly unnecessary, the refreshed look of the win8 desktop section is way better than the one of win 7, (letting aside the "baroque" one from Vista).
Non all from the past is bad, but this is true also for the novelties.
Integralism is pointless on both sides.
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… Is a theme in line with the times. I'm aganist the pointless innovations, but I'm well aware that the tastes are evolving. ... Now, my opinion is that while the MetroUI itself is oversimplified and mostly unnecessary, the refreshed look of the win8 desktop section is way better than the one of win 7, (letting aside the "baroque" one from Vista). Non all from the past is bad, but this is true also for the novelties. ...
A major conceptual flaw with the "lineless" or borderless themes d'jour is that they force a user to more carefully study the screen in positioning his mouse. The borders of the various elements, tabs, and such give the user faster and more exact perspective about where to click and when it's safe to click. This is especially true when the browser is necessarily open at less than full-screen and overlaid to any extent upon other apps that may have similar white or gray backgrounds as well. The continual necessity to look carefully to avoid clicking outside non-existent lines, else loosing focus or opening the wrong thing, slows down the user's browsing experience. After heavy bouts of usage, it becomes downright tedious and taxing. This is not a Vivaldi issue alone, but is an increasing nuisance among other software as well.
My point is that borderless themes are not merely a cosmetic "taste" thing for many users, it impacts functionality and efficient usage. Clear bordering is a functional visual cue for many intensive users. From that perspective, the ability to at least supply a user choice of outlining of these various elements is an important option - regardless of what theme is delivered as default.
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My point is that borderless themes are not merely a cosmetic "taste" thing for many users, it impacts functionality and efficient usage. Clear bordering is a functional visual cue for many intensive users.
The drop shadow applied by win7 is a clear enough border for me …
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"My point is that borderless themes are not merely a cosmetic 'taste' thing for many users, it impacts functionality and efficient usage. Clear bordering is a functional visual cue for many intensive users. From that perspective, the ability to at least supply a user choice of outlining of these various elements is an important option - regardless of what theme is delivered as default."
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ThisOne of the first things I posted to the forums regarding usability was that it's hard to tell one tab from the next with tabs at side, which literally slows me down, and so some sort of outlining or drop-shadow is in order. That said, offered the choice to have integrated mail or UI improvements first, I would take the integrated mail. Just sayin'
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My point is that borderless themes are not merely a cosmetic "taste" thing for many users, it impacts functionality and efficient usage. Clear bordering is a functional visual cue for many intensive users.
The drop shadow applied by win7 is a clear enough border for me …
Perhaps it has to do with our individual visual perceptions. For me, the ability to quickly recognize a drop shadow against certain background colors or complexities (especially greys) is signficantly lower than if there is an additional apps-bordering color bar or line inside of the drop shadow.
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I'm with Blackbird on this. We old folks need clear visual cues.
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One of the first things I posted to the forums regarding usability was that it's hard to tell one tab from the next with tabs at side
That's why my proposal of an option to reverse the colorization behavior.
The active tab in white, all the others in their own color.
Look and functionality are not mutually exclusive.
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vivaldi will gain surely some skinning capabilities and more and more customization options but for now I hope thei focus their efforts on more important things (mail client, sync capabilities, and small little features not yet implemented like the paste and go)
This is the proper order for development. While I'd like to see a polished chrome the others are much more important. But I have a feeling it won't take too long before we see progress made on the UI. I hope people can make skins.
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I'm not against clean or flat skins when done right (which is not as easy as many designers seem to think), and I'm perfectly fine with a borderless app window, however, the inactive tabs (and some other UI items) need to have better visual separation, that much seems clear to me.
Then again, this is a very first iteration of Vivaldi UI, so I'm pretty sure changes are coming.
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