All tabs lost after computer restart



  • Re: Lost all tabs from last session

    Despite having the option selected to recover the last session when restarting, today I've restarted the whole operative system, and all tabs that I had open were lost. Really annoying! A simple browser restart (which I often do since Vivaldi freezes quite often) doesn't cause this issue, but if I restart the whole computer, that happens. I've tried twice and it happened again and again. Pinned tabs are also lost.
    I am using the One Tab extension so in theory I should have a double layer of security, in reality I don't. It works just fine on Chrome.
    Overall, I find Vivaldi very good. This is really problematic though, since I don't want this to happen again, I may have important pages open and don't want to lose that information.
    Mac OS Sierra 10.12.1, Vivaldi 1.5.658.44 (Stable channel).
    Thanks



  • Would be great to have an update on this. I've included details about my computer configuration in a related thread: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/7144/pinned-tabs-immediately-forgotten/11

    Thanks.



  • @lucaben said in All tabs lost after computer restart:

    Despite having the option selected to recover the last session when restarting, today I've restarted the whole operative system, and all tabs that I had open were lost. Really annoying!

    Yeah, I guess so. The "lost" session should be accessible through the "trash" icon in the upper right corner of the browser window. It should be an entry saying: "Window with x Tabs" and there you should find all the tabs that disappeared. At least in theory. It might not work if you performed computer restart without properly closing Vivaldi first. But it's worth trying nevertheless.

    @lucaben said in All tabs lost after computer restart:

    A simple browser restart (which I often do since Vivaldi freezes quite often)

    I'm using Vivaldi all the time and it didn't freeze in a very long time. I guess it has to do something with your computer configuration (I'm on Windows 10), the extensions that you use, your browsing habits or the pages that you visit (or all factors combined).

    @lucaben said in All tabs lost after computer restart:

    I am using the One Tab extension so in theory I should have a double layer of security, in reality I don't. It works just fine on Chrome.

    Pro tip: Vivaldi handles tabs differently and thus extensions for tabs/windows from the Chrome Web Store might not work in Vivaldi. Sorry...

    @lucaben said in All tabs lost after computer restart:

    Mac OS Sierra 10.12.1, Vivaldi 1.5.658.44 (Stable channel).

    I'm not sure why you posted this in the Windows category, while there's a dedicated category for Mac, but the tips that I gave you should be universal. You should also update your browser to the latest version.



  • Thank you for your kind response, much appreciated!
    I am going to repost this under "Vivaldi for Mac" since I did not realise it was the wrong section. The problem with the browser occasionally freezing seems to have been solved now, but unfortunately it doesn't seem to remember the last session, as you suggested (trash bin icon).
    I'd be fine with extensions not working but at least they should not cause loss of data! I am wondering what could be the cause of this. An extension should not cause corruptions to the core functionality.



  • @lucaben said in All tabs lost after computer restart:

    I'd be fine with extensions not working but at least they should not cause loss of data! I am wondering what could be the cause of this. An extension should not cause corruptions to the core functionality.

    That should be the case, but the extensions API for Chromium-based browsers allow browser's core functionality to be manipulated to some extent and thus it may corrupt something in the browser or cause it to freeze or crash. The extensions from the Chrome Web Store are made with Google Chrome in mind and are tested usually on that browser exclusively, so they might not work in Vivaldi as good and flawlessly as in Chrome since Vivaldi has a lot of parts of its "core" added/changed/removed/blocked.

    Another workaround for your lost sessions problem (if they cannot be restored from the trash bin) would be to save your sessions manually through Menu > File > Save Open Tabs as Session... (hopefully it's the same on Mac) and open saved sessions from that menu whenever you need it.

    However, if you're sure how to reproduce that bug, you can report it here.

    Please describe as precisely as you can, what kind of issue are you dealing with and how it can be reproduced - that's important since bugs that are hard or impossible to reproduce can't be fixed. After sending the bug report, you'll get a confirmation e-mail and in a reply to that e-mail you can add more information and attach files (if necessary) for the testers and the bug tracking team.



  • Thank you for your suggestions! I've just submit a bug report. I understand the difficulties the team is facing and appreciate all the hard work. From a user's perspective, extensions are essential nowadays, if you don't want to be overwhelmed by ads, autoplaying videos and lots of memory-sucking tabs. I deem extensions as important as the browser itself, and if developers are allowed to do whatever they want, then it's a problem. I can deal with bugs, but loss of data should never happen.


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    @lucaben

    if you don't want to be overwhelmed by ads, autoplaying videos

    That extensions that alter the page content it self. It goes different problems

    Tabs/Session/History problems related to extensions use, caused by extensions that alter the Vivaldi GUI or important Tabs/Session/History data.
    Close to what @pafflick mentioned above, Vivaldi has a complete different GUI management & other parts as well. Using Chromium/Chrome only extensions to alter it would lead to trouble.

    By the way, OneTab is basically bookmarks on chrome:// page. Why not just use bookmarks to safe resources? Using extension for bookmark keep is waste of resources.



  • @lucaben said in All tabs lost after computer restart:

    From a user's perspective, extensions are essential nowadays, if you don't want to be overwhelmed by ads, autoplaying videos and lots of memory-sucking tabs. I deem extensions as important as the browser itself, (...)

    It depends. Some users use tons of extensions, while others use none. Vivaldi is aiming at providing a feature-rich browser for minimizing the need for external extensions. Keep in mind that each extension slows down your browser by a tiny bit and thus using a lot of them might not be too efficient...

    @lucaben said in All tabs lost after computer restart:

    (...) and if developers are allowed to do whatever they want, then it's a problem. I can deal with bugs, but loss of data should never happen.

    They're not allowed to do everything they want. Although there are some malicious extensions out there, usually they're not that powerful to cause an extensive damage (at least not without the user's help). The loss of data might be caused by lots of things and different factors may play a role in each case - it might be some software bug, a corrupted file system on the hard drive, some missing files or libraries, broken or incompatible extensions/plugins, corrupted user data files, wrong permission settings or even the user doing something incorrectly. It's not always that easy to determine which one is the problem...



  • Update: I've recreated the issue again with ALL extensions disabled today, and it still happens. Good news is, I could at least recover the last session from the trash icon.



  • @pafflick Yes, I guess it's not easy to find what the culprit here is. The technology we use today is still very primitive and it's hard work for dev. I still hope they find out what is causing this.



  • @dLeon Good point, but practically, One Tab is more user friendly. The bookmarks panel in Vivaldi disappears once you open one page, and the page remains in the list. There is also no option to include/not include pinned tabs. And I also don't want to mix bookmarks with read later items. Bookmarks are supposed to remain



  • @lucaben -- Hi. Just FYI, i've used V as my default browser since Feb 2015. In those early several months it sometimes was a wild ride, with lots of dead-bird tabs, V crashes, lost tab sessions... Much fun [irony]. From as soon as V was able to use Chrome Extensions, i installed many of those that i use on all my other chromium-based browsers. Two of those were & still are OneTab & Session Buddy. Both work perfectly fine for me in V.

    The ability to bookmark a user-specified tab-stack is immensely useful, but is only a relatively recent implementation. Prior to it, OneTab was fabulously handy to use in my workflow, as a supplement to Speed Dials & Bookmarks [in my sensibility, anything i OT'd has a status of "Interim, Work-In-Progress, i still wanna evaluate these tabs & after that i might just delete them, or i might make them permanent bookmarks &/or speed dials". Arguably now that V's bookmarking tab-stacks function is here & works so well, any of us using OneTab might wish to re-evaluate that.

    Session Buddy had/has a different purpose for me. As said, those early V months could be rather "challenging" re reliability & V losing my stuff, so as soon as i could i installed SB to provide me a way to reliably recover my lost tab sessions [i needed to use it often in 2015, & still a little bit in early 2016, but hardly at all since then]. V did not have Sessions back then, but even now V's Session Manager is [sorry Devs] primitive & barren -- needs much more work to equal or surpass extensions like SB. That said, the V "technique" of recovering a lost session from the recycle bin was either not available in the early months, or else i didn't know of it [can't recall now].

    For any other long-term V users but who never used those two extensions, given V's current reliability & multiple features/functions, it's hard to make any case to persuade them of any merit in now installing those extensions. For old timers like me though who did have a rough ride in V's inaugural year & thus relied on both these extensions, it's kinda hard to now "just let them go"... albeit i suspect their days are numbered.



  • @Steffie Thanks for sharing your thoughts Steffie, very interesting! I have to say that after realising that the last session can be retrieved via the recycle bin, I am now confident I can keep using Vivaldi and support it as much as I can. You gave me a good insight, though. I believe a short term solution that could be easily implemented would be at least to let people know that there is a possibility to retrieve the last session (using a "Do you want to retrieve the last session?" overlay, for example). In fact the problem is, one should be aware of the functionality associated to the recycle bin in the first place!


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