Posting Signatures



  • I am seeing signatures below some moderator's posts. Great! How can we add them? I can't see where.



  • @g_bartsch I'd rather ask WHY? I don't feel any need to spam each of my posts with any kind of additional text (which would be probably interesting only to myself anyway)...

    The community managers and other admins can keep their signatures. πŸ˜‰ But we don't really need them (I mean signatures, not the admins 😜). Let's keep these new forums clean and simple!

    Sorry for not supporting you on this. But hey, I'm not the one making decisions here. I'm just sharing my opinion. πŸ˜‰



  • @g_bartsch I guess they just made a note to insert.

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  • Moderator

    YOU can't, yet! Bhwahahahaha!


  • Moderator

    @pafflick - Just because signatures will be POSSIBLE, doesn't mean anyone has to use them. However, a signature that calls out your platform and hardware can save potential helpers tons of time figuring out whether their knowledge applies to your situation or not.



  • @pafflick

    I respectfully but strenuously disagree with you. A persistent fault committed by many posters here, mostly newbies but not always, is to write about their latest X or Y or Z bug / regression, but provide no or inadequate info about the technical context. That is, their OS, version, V stream, version... maybe also certain h/w specs. The benefit of having user-customisable signatures/footers like some other blogs do [eg, Linux Mint, Linux Maui...] is that posters don't have to remember to add this info each post [& thus potentially forget], then Devs get to see a fuller ecosystem for the bug, as do also other Users who then might be able to chip in more effectively from their own experience. Having a feature doesn't mean that it must be used by everyone, but surely it's better to have than not have. I would politely dispute the "spam" analogy.
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  • @pafflick - I want to post my machine/Vivaldi specs like Ayespy does because this will save me time having to type it manually. Specs help diagnose problems sometimes. Maybe by terming it 'signature' I misstated my intent. You can still support this. :wink:


  • Moderator

    @g_bartsch community personnel already told us in the blogs this platform will have signature capacity. I should think everyone will have it before long. First, however, I think profiles have to be secured a little better.


  • Vivaldi Team

    @g_bartsch thanks for asking! We're working on it. Thanks for being patient with us. :slight_smile:



  • @gaelle And not one signature in this thread specifies the Vivaldi version being used :face_palm:



  • @TbGbe

    Yeah, & i really did think about it b4 i posted mine, but decided against it coz it wasn't actually pertinent to the specific topic. However, your "gotcha" is valid.
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  • OK, let me disagree with you all, just one by one... πŸ˜€

    @Ayespy said in Posting Signatures:

    (...) a signature that calls out your platform and hardware can save potential helpers tons of time figuring out whether their knowledge applies to your situation or not.

    @Steffie said in Posting Signatures:

    (...) A persistent fault committed by many posters here, mostly newbies but not always, is to write about their latest X or Y or Z bug / regression, but provide no or inadequate info about the technical context. That is, their OS, version, V stream, version... maybe also certain h/w specs. (...)

    I understand your point, but it's invalid for most cases. People who add their hardware specs into signatures, will most likely remember to add them when describing their issues. And even if they don't - the vast majority of people (esp. "newbies") who consistently forget to add such details when describing their problems, would most likely leave the signatures blank as well (or filled with some random, irrelevant quotes or other unimportant stuff). So adding the signatures won't solve that problem - unless they name the signature field something like "Your hardware specs" and make it obligatory when you register your account. But still there would be people who would put anything in there, just to complete the registration as soon as they can... πŸ™‚
    And even if someone provide their hardware specs, they might still omit some important data (like eg. whether they use 32 or 64 bit software, etc.). So you'll still have to ask for such details.

    @Steffie said in Posting Signatures:

    (...) having user-customisable signatures/footers like some other blogs do (...)

    That's why so many of them are such a mess. 😜 And that's why I asked to keep these forums clean & simple.

    @Steffie said in Posting Signatures:

    (...) posters don't have to remember to add this info each post [& thus potentially forget], then Devs get to see a fuller ecosystem for the bug, as do also other Users who then might be able to chip in more effectively from their own experience. (...)

    Again, I understand your point, but I see a few problems there. Right now I'm writing this using the latest snapshot of Vivaldi on my tablet, but most of the time I use the stable release of Vivaldi on my PC. Which one should I add into my signature? If I add both, that leads to a potential confusion, as I would have to clarify each time, which device am I using, when some bug occurs. And what if I experienced such a bug on somebody else's computer? (And it happens to me a lot, since I'm the "geek" among my friends and they usually ask me for help). In any of these cases I have to clarify which device is being used, and while the signature might be helpful in some way, it surely won't solve the problem of the issue's description being insufficient.

    @Steffie said in Posting Signatures:

    (...) I would politely dispute the "spam" analogy (...)

    It was NOT an analogy. Many of the user's signatures that I've seen on various forums, put sheer SPAM into their signatures - they often advertise their websites or put links to sites that offer some profit for directing traffic or new users to them (I forgot the name of this kind of websites) - sometimes in a huge amounts. And some of them would still do that, even if the links are not active (clickable). And that's what I don't like about user's signatures - spam and irrelevant, unimportant, random stuff.

    Furthermore - if not spam or simply a waste of space - please explain what purpose does the sequence below serve here, in this topic? πŸ€”

    @Steffie said in Posting Signatures:

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    @g_bartsch said in Posting Signatures:

    (...) this will save me time having to type it manually (...)

    For a long time I used the Opera's (and now Vivaldi's) Notes feature to avoid having to type my PC's specs manually, but maybe I'm weird? πŸ˜‰

    So, to conclude my post I have to say this: NO for user's signatures! πŸ˜›

    The only way it would make sens is to somehow force users to type only their hardware specs there and show these "signatures" only in the applicable places (Vivaldi Browser category and Local Forums). Anywhere else it's redundant.
    Another solution that comes to my mind is to provide a separate field or just a reminder when posting on support/bug reporting categories to provide the necessary details, like the OS version, hardware specs, Vivaldi version etc. It would be much better than any kind of signatures.

    That's just my opinion. Peace! πŸ™‚



  • Well at least you didn't disagree with me. The best way to deal with this is by inserting a note. Only forum moderators and the Vivaldi Team should be allowed to have signatures. One man's spam is another user's useful links.

    This is my signature on the IrfanView support forum, which has fields in the profile where users should fill in their hardware details, OS, and IrfanView version. Of course, most new users fail to, or don't keep it up-to-date, or use IrfanView on several PCs, etc

    Before you post ... fill in your OS and IV version in your profile.
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  • I won, i WON!! One of the only times in my life i actually won something! I won the most disagreements -- yay me.



  • @Pesala said in Posting Signatures:

    Well at least you didn't disagree with me.

    There was nothing in your post to disagree with. 😜

    @Pesala said in Posting Signatures:

    Only forum moderators and the Vivaldi Team should be allowed to have signatures.

    (The following is my personal opinion) Vivaldi Team should be enough. @gaelle's signature is a model example of a proper signature's use. That's how I would like to see them used.

    @Pesala said in Posting Signatures:

    One man's spam is another user's useful links.

    I prefer to share such links only when and where they're needed - not in every single discussion that I join, and not in every single one of my posts. Forums are usually used to discuss a wide variety of topics. But everything should be in its place. Expressing your political views in a thread where somebody is looking for a technical support might not be welcome (not to mention that it's a lack of manners).

    @Pesala said in Posting Signatures:

    This is my signature on the IrfanView support forum (...)

    If you're forced to put elementary things in your signature (such as the profile edit link or "Before you post" thread or general help website etc.), it means only that these forums are just poorly maintained. User's signature should not be used for such purposes!

    I know that on many forums they DO look like yours, but it's mainly due to the specific design of the most popular forum engines like phpBB, vBulletin etc. They're usually used by people who have no basic knowledge of webdesign or programming, so using the signature as a FAQ list (or similar) is just the easiest solution for them. But it's not the case here, on these forums. Vivaldi Team is capable of creating something more appropriate for you to put the details about the hardware that you're using or an animal that is your favorite. 😁

    Even the term "signature" means something personal, connected to you - not "a guide for beginners" or "here are some websites that you NEED to check out and it's totally not a virus, I assure you 10000%!!!!!!!1". 😜

    EDIT: I forgot to mention that signatures are insufficient for such a use on a multi-language forums, like this one. If you only try to help people speaking English, then you're good with some helpful links and other stuff in you're signature. But when you also try to help people speaking your native language - and not necessarily English - then what are you going to do about it? A multi-language signature? Wouldn't it take up twice as much space then?

    Oh, and I also forgot to repeat myself: NO for user's signatures! 😁



  • @Steffie said in Posting Signatures:

    @TbGbe

    Yeah, & i really did think about it b4 i posted mine, but decided against it coz it wasn't actually pertinent to the specific topic. However, your "gotcha" is valid.
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    Not really a gotcha. Just thought that the main info needed (when posting a problem) is:
    OS, Vivaldi Stable/Snapshot, 32 or 64 bit

    The only time hardware is an issue is with Video/Flash type problems.

    Not many people would edit their signature for each post/topic :innocent:
    Then again - what version would Sopranos/Vivaldi Team admit to :facepalm:



  • I just want a sig to put "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, eh, your opinion, man."



  • @pafflick said in Posting Signatures:

    Oh, and I also forgot to repeat myself: NO for user's signatures! 😁

    I'm slowly reaching the conclusion you may have some slight reservations with signatures? :thinking:



  • @pafflick said in Posting Signatures:

    If you're forced to put elementary things in your signature (such as the profile edit link or "Before you post" thread or general help website etc.), it means only that these forums are just poorly maintained. User's signature should not be used for such purposes!

    I am not forced to. I am a moderator there, so I add links to my signature to save time. Users don't always read the signature or follow the links, of course, but if at least some do it will save asking them to Read The Free Manual or fill in their forum profile. It's also helpful for me if I need to look something up or amend my own profile.

    I agree that signatures for users is more likely to result in a lot of spam links or irrelevant quotes, etc., so it's better to restrict signatures to Admins, Moderators, or Premium users who come here primarily to help others and not to push their own agenda. I am happy to use notes, as it's more flexible and can be added and amended to suit the topic.

    It is possible to detect a user's current browser version and OS, as happens on the Bug Report Wizard, so that could be added automatically to each post, and would show the version in use when the post was made, and not the current version in use. If the user posts using another browser, then no signature would be added.



  • @pafflick is not the only one. I also think signatures are not needed. I do not go on explaining all the reasons why because so far they said it quite well. And because duplicating the same information on and on IS spammy.

    I only add that our posts already have a automatic signature. I mean, you do know which user wrote this post, though I have not spelled it, don't you?


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