Feature requests for Vivaldi's new forum
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Visual feedback about voting.
Highlight the Up and Down arrows if the user has already upvoted or downvoted a post, it is currently it's impossible to know without clicking to see how punctuation changes. Eventually useful also at the blog.
Possible mockups:
Also think the i menu (with the editing and sharing options) would be more descriptive if it had instead a three dot icon or a "hamburger" menu icon instead
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@duarte.framos Yup. Great idea
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What about WebM embedding?
Currently it seems impossible to upload GIF files...
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In Infinite Scrolling Mode make the thread options toolbar always visible.
The one with the post count, reply, mark unread, watching and sorting options, either stick it to the top, or sticky-ed to the bottom (of the window), or alternatively add some sort of floating Go to First and Got to Last post shortcut buttons always visible.
Currently one can't really access those easily unless we are viewing the first and last post, especially on lengthy posts, making it it is impossible to sort or reply to a very long thread without lots and lots of scrolling; since scroll to top and scroll to bottom won't work here either because of the dynamic loading system.
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Is there currently any "search in thread" option? If so couldn't figure out where it is.
Otherwise new feature request:Search in current thread, a must for infinite scrolling mode.
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I think that "thumbs up" and "thumbs down" icons of new forum should be changed, because many users would to mistake meanings of these icons. I thinked these icons were navigation of topic. So, when I clicked a down arrow button, I was suprised to be displayed "-1"!

When I clicked this button, I thinked to move to the bottom of this topic. So, I think these icons should be changed like Vivaldi blog.
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These simple smileys do not appear to have a corresponding svg (they're generated automatically). Either add a file for them or stop converting them to images
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@iAN-CooG now they are displaying.
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@kyu3a I agree, but it's not a big issue. You already learnt what they do. Just click the thumbs down/up link again to remove it.
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Hi, it would be nice if "Mark as Read" in Unread section remember what I have marked.
For example I never read Lounge comments and never read Chinese posts too but I have to Mark as Read every time.
After 2-3 days Unread is mostly 99+ posts.Thanks from a long term happy Vivaldi user, mib
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@mib2berlin You can go to the categories you're not interested in, click the button "Watching" and change it to "Ignoring".
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@pafflick, yeah, thank you for the hint.
Cheers, mib
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Dear Vivaldi webdevs!
Please don't make me click "login" inputbox every time I enter login page (https://login.vivaldi.net)
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@tsukashu I'd say that Markdown is the most dumbed-down (and thus easiest to use) text formatting system that I've seen on a forum (apart from WYSIWYG editors). Formatting text with BBCode was not much simpler than using HTML, since it had similar opening and closing tags system (in many cases the syntax was identical to HTML, just with different brackets).
You have the basic formatting options here, you can use them by simply selecting the text and clicking a button. Is it THAT complicated? And some of them are even quite intuitive (like using the lists), so that even a person which is not familiar with Markdown can easily use it. You are really the first person to say that BBCode was simpler than Markdown...
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@pafflick said in Feature requests for Vivaldi's new forum:
some of them are even quite intuitive
I don't think lists are intuitive. If, like most users, you're more familiar with BBcode, then it is easier than learning a new system.
- First, you have to know that one asterisk starts a list, while two marks the beginning of bold text.
- Second, you have to know that you need to type a period after the number and not a parenthesis.
No-onealmost no-one would intuit that you have to use a double-tilde to mark the beginning and end of strikeout text. It's hardly any different to knowing the <s>strikeout</s> code of other forums.
However, in both types of forums, using the buttons is the easiest. It would be nice if the blogs would use the same markdown code as the forums, then my signature would work in both places.
BTW Does Table Markdown work here?
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@Pesala said in Feature requests for Vivaldi's new forum:
If, like most users, you're more familiar with BBcode, then it is easier than learning a new system.
I agree that learning something new is more difficult than using something that you're familiar with. But it's hard to agree that most users are familiar with BBCode (even if they're familiar with phpBB and similar forum scripts), unless you have some factual data to back up your theory?
@Pesala said in Feature requests for Vivaldi's new forum:
- First, you have to know that one asterisk starts a list, while two marks the beginning of bold text.
** First ** you have to know that asterisk followed by a whitespace is not going to format the text. It's safe to say that almost everyone uses whitespace to separate the text from the list item marker, so it should work without problems in Markdown. Nobody really needs to know then what one or two asterisks actually do.
Besides, who starts a list with asterisks in the first place? Most people that I know use hyphen-minus "
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" for that matter and it works perfectly for unordered lists in Markdown.@Pesala said in Feature requests for Vivaldi's new forum:
- Second, you have to know that you need to type a period after the number and not a parenthesis.
Both periods and parenthesis work perfectly for ordered lists in Markdown (at least here). Have you actually done any research before posting this? I am disappointed...
No-onealmost no-one would intuit that you have to use a double-tilde to mark the beginning and end of strikeout text. It's hardly any different to knowing the <s>strikeout</s> code of other forums.
I've said nothing in my post about strikeout text - for that matter (as well as bold and italic text) you have the buttons.
@Pesala said in Feature requests for Vivaldi's new forum:
BTW Does Table Markdown work here?
Hmm, http://commonmark.org/help/ says nothing about tables... I'm not sure what you're talking about.
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@pafflick said in Feature requests for Vivaldi's new forum:
Both periods and parenthesis work perfectly for ordered lists in Markdown (at least here)
- It works here, but changes the parenthesis to a period
- It does at all on the other forum I use with markdown
All of this requires prior knowledge, so it's not intuitive.
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@Pesala said in Feature requests for Vivaldi's new forum:
- It works here, but changes the parenthesis to a period
Whether it changes to a period or whether it stays the parenthesis afterwards is completely irrelevant here, since both methods result in creating an actual HTML ordered items list, without any additional steps required on the user's side.
The knowledge required for creating such list with Markdown is the kind of knowledge that one gets in the elementary school, right after learning how to write, so it is indeed very intuitive for an average forum user. Unless someone is very negligent in writing and creates something like this:
1.One
2. two,
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@pafflick said in Feature requests for Vivaldi's new forum:
@tsukashu I'd say that Markdown is the most dumbed-down (and thus easiest to use) text formatting system that I've seen on a forum (apart from WYSIWYG editors). Formatting text with BBCode was not much simpler than using HTML, since it had similar opening and closing tags system (in many cases the syntax was identical to HTML, just with different brackets).
You have the basic formatting options here, you can use them by simply selecting the text and clicking a button. Is it THAT complicated? And some of them are even quite intuitive (like using the lists), so that even a person which is not familiar with Markdown can easily use it. You are really the first person to say that BBCode was simpler than Markdown...
Markdown's main advantage is that when raw, it still looks similar to regular text, but I don't know if it's necessarily really beginner-friendlier than BBCode-style markup, because it has a lot of quirks people have to learn to look out for.
It can be accidentally triggered by a bunch of different symbols, whereas with BBCode, if you don't add square brackets with valid tags, nothing unusual will ever happen. Examples:
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Someone wants to put an asterisk to mark the beginning of a footnote. Instead, they end up making a list bullet like the one to the left.
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Some one tries to instruct someone to type "cd \", while using quotation marks around it as I just did. Except the \" gets interpreted as "escaped quotation mark", so they end up telling the person into type "cd ". To avoid this, they would need to know to escape the backslash with another backslash, e.g. writing "cd \\".
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Copying in a few of lines shell script? They'd better to remember to enclose it in the start/stop-formating-as PRE-text "```" lines or they could get comment lines rendered as headings becuase of the # symbols at the begining.
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probably other cases not coming to mind just now.
Also, the way markdown is finicky about the formatting marks needing to be adjoining word characters, with no spaces in between (e.g. "***text1***" becomes "text1", but "***text2 ***" does not affect formatting unless at some point later one writes "text3***") may not be so inuitive.
Then there are inconsistencies to know, like the fact that while both asterisks and underscores italicize, apparently only the asterisks can italicize mid-word (e.g. "aaa*bbb*ccc" -> "aaabbbccc", "aaa_bbb_ccc" -> "aaa_bbb_ccc"), probably because when defining the Commonmark standard they realized that underscores get used mid-word for things like filenames, while using asterisks midword is rarer.
In terms of capabilities, it's annoying that, without extensions, Commonmark doesn't support colored text, superscript, subscript, spoiler blocks, etc., which are commonly supported in BBCode.
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@Isildur said in Feature requests for Vivaldi's new forum:
Markdown's main advantage is that when raw, it still looks similar to regular text, but I don't know if it's necessarily really beginner-friendlier than BBCode-style markup, because it has a lot of quirks people have to learn to look out for.
Or they could just take a look once in a while at the preview of their message and fix any issues before posting it. There is no perfect solution, I'm afraid...
@Isildur said in Feature requests for Vivaldi's new forum:
It can be accidentally triggered by a bunch of different symbols, whereas with BBCode, if you don't add square brackets with valid tags, nothing unusual will ever happen. Examples:
- Someone wants to put an asterisk to mark the beginning of a footnote. Instead, they end up making a list bullet like the one to the left.
If there was no live preview of the post it would be quite annoying. But when you're able to notice right away that there's something unwanted in the output, you can try to fix it by removing the spacing, adding slashes, quotes etc. (though - again - it's not a perfect solution). It might be annoying for someone unfamiliar with Markdown, but people rarely put footnotes in their posts on forums anyway.
I think in this case they (Markdown devs) tried to strike a balance between simplicity and compatibility...@Isildur said in Feature requests for Vivaldi's new forum:
- Some one tries to instruct someone to type "cd \", while using quotation marks around it as I just did. Except the \" gets interpreted as "escaped quotation mark", so they end up telling the person into type "cd ". To avoid this, they would need to know to escape the backslash with another backslash, e.g. writing "cd \\".
I think this example is exaggerated. If someone is familiar with commands or a programming language (read: if he/she is a geek) there's a chance they'll know how to handle slashes. Again, live preview comes in handy. I can hardly imagine people struggling from this kind of issue. It is an issue, but how many people have encountered it? 5%? 1%? Or maybe even less?
@Isildur said in Feature requests for Vivaldi's new forum:
- Copying in a few of lines shell script? They'd better to remember to enclose it in the start/stop-formating-as PRE-text "```" lines or they could get comment lines rendered as headings becuase of the # symbols at the begining.
I think the first thing most people do before posting any script or code is to look for the
insert code
button. The only problem is that we don't have such button here on this forum, but it's not the Markdown's fault, probably just the nodeBB script's implementation of it.@Isildur said in Feature requests for Vivaldi's new forum:
- probably other cases not coming to mind just now.
Also, the way markdown is finicky about the formatting marks needing to be adjoining word characters, with no spaces in between (e.g. "***text1***" becomes "text1", but "***text2 ***" does not affect formatting unless at some point later one writes "text3***") may not be so inuitive.
Another overblown example... Same happens when you accidentally remove just one bracket from the BBCode. If you're using the syntax incorrectly it's pretty obvious that it won't work as expected. What's your point?
@Isildur said in Feature requests for Vivaldi's new forum:
Then there are inconsistencies to know, like the fact that while both asterisks and underscores italicize, apparently only the asterisks can italicize mid-word (e.g. "aaa*bbb*ccc" -> "aaabbbccc", "aaa_bbb_ccc" -> "aaa_bbb_ccc"), probably because when defining the Commonmark standard they realized that underscores get used mid-word for things like filenames, while using asterisks midword is rarer.
You need to know these inconsistencies only if you know that there are two ways of formatting the text. The power users will know about it, but it won't be a problem for them to learn those few exceptions. And the "casual" users will probably use buttons for that purpose, so they won't even know about the underscores thing, not to mention learning how using it differs from the asterisks...
@Isildur said in Feature requests for Vivaldi's new forum:
In terms of capabilities, it's annoying that, without extensions, Commonmark doesn't support colored text, superscript, subscript, spoiler blocks, etc., which are commonly supported in BBCode.
Lack of colored text is both an upside and downside of Markdown (personally I prefer all posts presented in one color, esp. that - IMO - most people that use colored text on forums have the tendency to pick the worst colors they can find, like flashy red, bright yellow etc.), lack of sub- or superscript one can override by using special characters like "²" or "₇" if they really need to. AFAIK spoiler tags - as much as useful - are not included in BBCode by default.