Progress on Sync/Mail?



  • Earlier this year, around the first quarter, we were told that the expectation for mail and sync were to come out in Q4 of 2016. That's now going to be sometime next year, but I'm wondering to any of those that are testing and don't mind answering, how's the progress coming along for sync and mail? I know some of you are testing mail, is it coming close to being safe and secure enough for snapshot use? I'm personally waiting for sync more than mail, is anyone testing that, and what's the progress on it?

    Any ETA for sync/mail's release? Maybe Q1 of 2017, or Q2?


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    @D0J0P said in Progress on Sync/Mail?:

    Earlier this year, around the first quarter, we were told that the expectation for mail and sync were to come out in Q4 of 2016. That's now going to be sometime next year, but I'm wondering to any of those that are testing and don't mind answering, how's the progress coming along for sync and mail? I know some of you are testing mail, is it coming close to being safe and secure enough for snapshot use? I'm personally waiting for sync more than mail, is anyone testing that, and what's the progress on it?

    Any ETA for sync/mail's release? Maybe Q1 of 2017, or Q2?

    ETA's are not and never will be offered. For my own part, I have found the progress on email substantially accelerated over the last couple of weeks, with just one more pair of hands added to the team (makes it a 5-man team now). More than just core functions are being fleshed out now, and if just one bug (a tenacious one, I fear) were squashed I would actually consider taking it for a test spin as primary mailer. Sync has been in progress since before we saw the first Vivaldi offering, and I have no real sense of how close it is to being ready.

    I consider the mail client to still be substantially short of ready for prime time - but for the first time since I first got a good long look at it, I see light at the end of the tunnel. I feel my ideas from just a couple months ago of how long it would be before it saw the light of day were perhaps too pessimistic. My outlook is sunnier now.

    Still, once it gets its first public testing, there will be a number of users who will grouse about how terrible it is, just as they did when Vivaldi was new. It will have numerous shortcomings and missing features. So don't get too far ahead of yourself.



  • I hope they get feeds right.
    Just a copy of Opera's Mail will do, currently I'm using a 2009 software because absolutely none of the current solutions do what I want. I also literally went through the 15+ UWP apps in the Windows Store and again, they were all pretty lackluster.

    I'm using Windows Mail and I'm partially happy with it except for the fact that mails never sync first, I have to manually press "refresh". I got my mails on my tablet and phone first, it's embarrasing, lol.



  • I need feeds.

    I don't care about email - I need RSS.

    It's the end of 2016, and I still have to use Opera 12 because nothing else has an RSS reader.

    The email part of Vivaldi is surely up to the task of purely displaying RSS by now...? It doesn't need any POP3/SMTP or composers or setting headers... If so, can we please get the RSS part prioritized for release, because it would be really stupid if we had to wait for yet another year until it comes out bundled with email.



  • True. A lot of people were disappointed when Google Reader was shut down. For me it was the dumping of RSS Reader by Opera. I have tried multitude of apps but nothing comes close to how good Opera managed RSS. And I hope to start using it again once Vivaldi gets a feed reader. Email is complicated. One bug can ruin your decade old email account because of how IMAP works. So it is better to have it ready for production before it is rolled out to the masses!



  • You're right. Even if the Opera's extension Smart RSS can do the job it is not as good as in Opera 12. And it hasn't been upgrade since a long time and so bugs remain (I can't moove feed to a folder for instance). I really hope that Vivaldi will fill that lack !



  • I don't care so much about e-mail but sync is really a must for me. Especially because Vivaldi has so many great options and features like notes. But I guess that complicates the matter further, syncing notes, themes and everything else on top of Chromium...



  • I'm wondering if your thinking of one browser version or two (with mail and without) ? and if it's just one, will smaller hardware be able to handle the extra resources needed for the mail side of things? (if extra resources are even needed)


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    @ultraviolet said in Progress on Sync/Mail?:

    I'm wondering if your thinking of one browser version or two (with mail and without) ? and if it's just one, will smaller hardware be able to handle the extra resources needed for the mail side of things? (if extra resources are even needed)

    No extra resources for mail unless you turn it on. It takes up about four more MB on initial download. Also, if you already use a separate email client, then you can dump that one and use the Vivaldi one instead, which could actually reduce resource usage.

    But when you say "smaller devices," Vivaldi is unlikely to include a mail client with the mobile version in any case.



  • Mail usage of the Mail app on Windows 10 is already really really small (right now it's 0.3 MB of RAM as a background task) but I'd take higher usage and reliability any day.

    It's a problem with Google servers, with Microsoft (Outlook.com) servers IMAP works fine.



  • @Ayespy

    i have a question. i am putting vivaldi webmail as a panel. i did not link any security sensitive items to that email. i use it more like a news feed. why is it a bad idea for us to use the panel like this?


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    @monkey_wrench_gang898 said in Progress on Sync/Mail?:

    @Ayespy

    i have a question. i am putting vivaldi webmail as a panel. i did not link any security sensitive items to that email. i use it more like a news feed. why is it a bad idea for us to use the panel like this?

    If it works for you, I can't think of a thing against it.



  • @Ayespy
    it's not the solution im looking for. i just wanted to make sure i wasn't messing up a component. do the panels work like any url or vivaldi:// address? if you could set panel toggle or a keyboard shortcut to change panel width instead of just taking it away, i would find that very helpful another request - https://vivaldi.com/bugreport/ in speed dial. it took me forever to find. probably my fault, but making it more visible would improve feedback.


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    @monkey_wrench_gang898 said in Progress on Sync/Mail?:

    @Ayespy
    it's not the solution im looking for. i just wanted to make sure i wasn't messing up a component. do the panels work like any url or vivaldi:// address? if you could set panel toggle or a keyboard shortcut to change panel width instead of just taking it away, i would find that very helpful another request - https://vivaldi.com/bugreport/ in speed dial. it took me forever to find. probably my fault, but making it more visible would improve feedback.

    I guess I'm missing something. Within limits, you can make pretty much ANY page into a web panel. The only problems you are likely to experience are with size and spading of things, fitting into a panel. Panels can also be made quite wide now, and each panel can be assigned its own width. I can't see how you would break anything. I say play with it, and mention any problem you run into.



  • @Pinkmeister Hello, as Vivaldi does not have RSS reader included, im using addon called The RSS Aggregator
    Work just well for me. Give it a shot!



  • @monkey_wrench_gang898 said in Progress on Sync/Mail?:

    @Ayespy

    i have a question. i am putting vivaldi webmail as a panel. i did not link any security sensitive items to that email. i use it more like a news feed. why is it a bad idea for us to use the panel like this?

    That's one of the things that webpanels do very well, especially when a webmail has the mobile version.



  • @Ayespy said in Progress on Sync/Mail?:

    @ultraviolet said in Progress on Sync/Mail?:

    I'm wondering if your thinking of one browser version or two (with mail and without) ? and if it's just one, will smaller hardware be able to handle the extra resources needed for the mail side of things? (if extra resources are even needed)

    No extra resources for mail unless you turn it on. It takes up about four more MB on initial download. Also, if you already use a separate email client, then you can dump that one and use the Vivaldi one instead, which could actually reduce resource usage.

    But when you say "smaller devices," Vivaldi is unlikely to include a mail client with the mobile version in any case.

    thanks for the reply, "smaller devices" ment mainly my old cheap laptop! :-)



  • Personally I'm curious about the tech behind the mail client..

    Did they build an backend on node.js just for pop3/imap? The only comparable application I'm aware of is Nylas N1, which requires a subscription to use.

    edit: I just discovered that Rambox also exists, and is apparently free and open source, although it seems more like a launcher for messaging services then a real email client.


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    A little over a year ago I think it was, Vivaldi published a link to a video wherein one of their developers was explaining the technology involved in the backend of the mail client to a small room full of people. The audio quality on the video wasn't good, and the dev did the presentation in English which was clearly not his mother tongue. I think he might have been Norwegian or even Icelandic. Frankly, I barely understood a word he said, but that was partly because 50% of the explanation was "tech-ese."

    What I garnered from it was that the client was not being adapted from any existing mail platform. It was truly being built from the ground up, with every single action, routine, decision, element of structure, etc. being hand-coded or one-off customized. He was using database and communication elements which had not, to my knowledge, been employed specifically in a mail client before, which made his product kind of "revolutionary." This was early days, and I think the Team just wanted to make it clear they were serious about mail. Much may have changed in the intervening months.

    Wish I could tell you more, but all I really know is that the client is starting to show some really progress and polish compared to two or three months ago.



  • @atomic1fire said in Progress on Sync/Mail?:

    edit: I just discovered that Rambox also exists, and is apparently free and open source, although it seems more like a launcher for messaging services then a real email client.

    Rambox is not an email client, it's a web wrapper with support for email web apps (with some extra features as native notifications, not Chrome)


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