Otter Browser (Opera 12 reloaded)



  • Do you heard about this browser? [url=http://otter-browser.org/]http://otter-browser.org/[/url] It seems very garage project, but it can be a successor of Opera 12. What do you think about it?



  • Like you said… "garage project" (although that may be demeaning it just a bit). It's not even close to being a workable beta and I can't imagine that a single person can keep this thing updated enough to make it secure online. I suppose if a person wanted to experiment with it but not use it for anything of a serious nature (online banking, shopping, business-related) it might be fine. I'm not that tied to Opera's Presto browser so it doesn't mean much to me. If the Blink version can add a few essential features, then that will become my default browser. In the meantime, I'll stick with Firefox which seems to get better with each new version. And now I hear that FF will be coming out with a compatible Windows 8 Modern GUI by March 16th. :)





  • Otter is at a very early stage, and the "startup odds" are against it (most software start-ups fail within the first 12 months). But the originator seems to be making a pretty solid run at it, and he's asking for help (ie, assembling a team). His goal of making a browser at least as configurable as Old Opera is certainly admirable, in the eye of those of us who seek that. However, the toughest days for Otter still lie ahead. In any case, I honestly hope he succeeds. I've learned never to despise meager beginnings… and a lot of current software outfits have succeeded wildly with similarly humble starts.



  • The idea is cool. I really hate the new opera15+ and hope otter can be a success.



  • Qt 5 huh? So, sort of like Opera 8 for Linux (which used Qt 3), except of course Qt is now cross-platform. Of course QtWebkit is not as compact as Presto …



  • @Penge:

    What do you think about it?

    I think it's a cool idea and I hope it reaches the level of development that everyone expects. Too soon to say I'd be interested in using it though.



  • @sgunhouse:

    Qt 5 huh?

    What's wrong with Qt 5?

    @sgunhouse:

    So, sort of like Opera 8 for Linux (which used Qt 3), except of course Qt is now cross-platform.

    Cross-platform and faster.

    @sgunhouse:

    Of course QtWebkit is not as compact as Presto …

    What do you exactly mean by "not as compact as Presto"?
    Whatever, forget about Presto. You know as well as I do that Presto is muerto.



  • Not yet.

    Making a browser secure isn't kids play, its very difficult. I can't compromise my financial and shopping transaction with an untested browser.



  • @Krake:

    @sgunhouse:

    Of course QtWebkit is not as compact as Presto …

    What do you exactly mean by "not as compact as Presto"?
    Whatever, forget about Presto. You know as well as I do that Presto is muerto.

    Never read the "lost Opera features" thread? In some environments Presto is still the only stable browser engine - when memory or other resources are limited most of all.

    From the description, Otter is now to be "What Opera 15 should have been", not to truly replace or supersede Opera 12. Shame … we still need something which does fill that role.



  • @sgunhouse:

    @Krake:

    @sgunhouse:

    Of course QtWebkit is not as compact as Presto …

    What do you exactly mean by "not as compact as Presto"?
    Whatever, forget about Presto. You know as well as I do that Presto is muerto.

    Never read the "lost Opera features" thread? In some environments Presto is still the only stable browser engine - when memory or other resources are limited most of all.

    Point taken :)

    @sgunhouse:

    From the description, Otter is now to be "What Opera 15 should have been", not to truly replace or supersede Opera 12. Shame … we still need something which does fill that role.

    You can't expect an one-man team to develop a new rendering engine that will supersede the work of a software company like Opera ASA (was) ;)



  • @sgunhouse:

    @Krake:

    @sgunhouse:

    In some environments Presto is still the only stable browser engine - when memory or other resources are limited most of all.

    we still need something which does fill that role.

    Agreed.

    As one who makes regular use of old technology I am in the same position. Limited memory.



  • @Krake:

    You can't expect an one-man team to develop a new rendering engine that will supersede the work of a software company like Opera ASA (was) ;)

    That could depend on the (wo)man or the people who do it. If I remember right, the first Opera version was developed by 2 people

    ... OK, it was somewhat easier, by far not that many standards that had to be followed and probably not so much stupid broken code in the web at that time that had to be repaired - but with a little head start and basing on one of the open source engines it might be quite possible for a small team to build a new and better fork of the existing browsers.

    I personally would tend to Gecko at the moment (pure gut feeling, I stopped programming a decade ago and I am not up to speed in that regard). Gecko seems to be way more effective in limited environments than the Chromium based browsers and in terms of real world speed it seems to be up to par - but looking at the many derivatives of chromium, those seem to be a somewhat easier choice for programmers ...



  • I would choose gecko to stop this WebKit/Blink dominance. Remember when ie had the monopoly.



  • Thanks God I found this Otter Browser (and this place), so there's hope.
    This may be the replacement for a good browser Opera once was.
    It will be easier since it uses webkit engine (end the creator of Otter should stick with it), so only the user interface is an issue to resolve. BTW. This mambo jumbo coming from the Opium 15+ fanboys about security issues is just pure nonsense.
    I think people should help as much as they can in Otter development. This doesn't have to be a popular browser. If it's a browser for sophisticated users, it's a success.



  • @drozdman:

    BTW. This mambo jumbo coming from the Opium 15+ fanboys about security issues is just pure nonsense.
    I think people should help as much as they can in Otter development. This doesn't have to be a popular browser. If it's a browser for sophisticated users, it's a success.

    Opinions are fine and we're all entitled to them. I wonder, however, if you might consider using a softer tone for those with whom you happen to disagree? Just a suggestion, mind you. ;)



  • @JamesD:

    Opinions are fine and we're all entitled to them. I wonder, however, if you might consider using a softer tone for those with whom you happen to disagree? Just a suggestion, mind you. ;)

    Geez.. An hour didn't pass and the same guy, who stalks everybody on Opera forums shows up and starts bossing around… It looks like this guy thinks that he owns every forum there is. He tells people what to do on Opera forums like he was the owner or a moderator, and now he comes to the site of Opium critics and does the same... Just unbelievable.. But that's what one can expect from religious fanatics who bring their religion even to computer topics. Wait for "Buddhist" Pesala to show up and there will be the religious fanatic club here. The religious zeal resonates on every level of their existence.



  • Maybe someones from Vivaldi (esp. from management) should help him to develop fast and more :)



  • I used. Should be supported. And need more improvements :) But good idea. İf it s supported and improved maybe say hello new opera :))



  • @drozdman:

    Geez…

    +1


Log in to reply
 

Looks like your connection to Vivaldi Forum was lost, please wait while we try to reconnect.