Clicking links/buttons takes 6 seconds before it will work after new update
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After updating to 7.4, now pretty much all links/website buttons take about 6 seconds to respond in a regular window. No issues in incognito windows.
I have:
- disabled all extensions
- gone through all settings to disable ones that I think might cause the issue
- Cleared my cache
- Deleted cookies that I don't need
- Disabled hardware acceleration
- Ran a Malwarebytes scan just to be safe, no hits
Some of this has slightly improved the situation, but nothing has solved it. An example of how things are now:
I click on Instagram, the window loads, and the first thing I click on takes 6 seconds. Then I can click around and things seem ok, for instance, I click notifications to the side, it loads and opens, I can click a link to a post. But then, if I want to click "like" on a post, it takes 6 seconds before I can.
Some web pages still do this on almost everything, others will be more like I describe above.
If I click on a new window, any previous window I go to almost always resets this 6 second clock. In gmail, it seems to be almost every click that does this.
Note that I have 1900 tabs open in various workspaces and stacks.
I'm on an iMac Pro with 128GB RAM, macOS Sequoia 15.1.1
(no, I do not want to update my OS further, as it will cause a cascade for my main work apps that will be a pain)
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@simpleknight Could be the issue is simply the number of tabs you are running. Hard to tell. One of Vivaldi’s new features is checking for duplicate tabs. This could cause issues. Maybe try unchecking showing duplicate tabs in windows panel in
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Gave this a shot, but not sure how it's supposed to display that there are dupe tabs. I manually duplicated a tab, but still couldn't work it out.
What I would love at this point is some way to see where resources are going, and maybe get some more granularity in controlling memory either within the browser, or outside of it. I have so much memory, I ought to be able to blow through this issue since generally Vivaldi is the only thing I'm running. Used to be able to do this on Mac, but I think since OS X, that feature is gone?
Anyway, do you have any other tools you can think of I can try? Vivaldi's interface begs to be used by folks like me who need to organize a lot of tabs. Really still sad that workspaces, tab stacks, and sessions don't save reliably; I had hoped to use those to minimize how many tabs I have open (storing research for later), but the truth is the browser gaslights me by making me think tabs are saved when they just aren't.
I'd try something else, but nobody has the UI layout flexibility I am enjoying in Vivaldi. If any other browser did tabs like Vivaldi does, I'd try it. Opera has some new features, but they seem to still insist on keeping tabs at the top, which doesn't work for me.
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@simpleknight Have you disabled “show duplicate tabs” like I suggested? If so, you can’t test the feature. Vivaldi has inbuilt session saving, I haven’t lost tabs in a long time. You can enable automatic session backup from the sessions panel. You can also manually save sessions.
Try to save your tabs as bookmarks, export them to HTML. Create a new profile and import the bookmarks there, then open them as tabs. Afterwards check the performance. Profile issues have to be ruled out first.
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Ok, so
First, show duplicate tabs was off, I misunderstood what you were suggesting, so I turned it on. I will turn it back off.
Next, auto-saving sessions does not work as expected, and you may want to test this before you depend on it. In an effort to minimize RAM usage, I have hibernate tabs on, which may explain what I see. Auto-save sessions only saves the tabs you have looked at in a current session (or perhaps it is inconsistent in another way). In any case, when I restore an auto-saved session, it does NOT have all of the tabs in the various tab stacks, and sometimes doesn't include all the stacks in a workspace.
Even loading a manually saved session (with just one workspace, for example) doesn't seem to save everything in that workspace. It's really quite frustrating, because you think if you "save" something, you will be able to get back all of what you saved.
I am exploring whether Opera is a better solution to this. I have had SO many issues with Vivaldi, even though I find the UI to be the best for what I want, it seems the programmers are gaslighting us with features that don't work consistently.
I get hitting a RAM ceiling (although how with 128GB of RAM?), but if you save something, it should be properly saved.
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@simpleknight I haven’t encountered any of the issues you describe, although I’m not using tab stacks. You haven’t provided a way for anyone to test the issue either. If you want a developer to look at this, you will have to come up with a bug report that can be reproduced from a clean profile. Since you are mentioning several bugs now, each would have to be filed separately. The more concise the bug report, the higher the chance it gets a fix in a timely fashion. If you’d rather switch browser, I can’t stop you. But profiles break on all browsers after some time, there are no exceptions. This is the reason why people always assume their new browser is so fast and bug free and then say it got bloated and slow after using it for months and months. In your special case the update could have changed something, that’s why I assumed it’s the new feature. Apparently not, but all I can do is guess right now.
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@luetage Thanks for your response
It will be a BIG job to clear out the profile and make a new one, so I won't be able to try that right away.
I can only say that I have had issues for over a year (maybe more than 2 years?), but that this 6 second click thing is brand new and started after the most recent update.
Opera GX has a feature that allows you to allocate memory and control CPU/RAM usage. For someone like me, that would be really helpful since I have so many tabs I need constantly for my various jobs.
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@simpleknight You don’t need to clear out your current profile. Making a new one is a matter of seconds. Test on the new one without changing anything (besides onboarding procedure) and then try to trigger any of the bugs. If you can’t, make settings changes and get some data in there, then try again. Make sure to write down what you do along the way. Afterwards share what you find in the forum, then it should be relatively straight forward for other users to test.
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Interesting, it doesn't work the way I would assume
It appears that indeed, there aren't any problems with the new window. If I get this right, opening a new window with a different profile creates a sandbox where whatever I was doing before doesn't interfere with this new window. Kind of like incognito, but remembers what you're up to.
I'm going to test this, because I have several Google accounts I need to use regularly, and it might very well help to sandbox each set of tasks in a different profile.
I have at least 3 sets of tasks that I would want to use profiles for in this way, and it does seem like it would be VERY helpful for things like logging into different YouTube accounts, etc.
I will explore this further, it may very well provide a solution to my issues!
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So far so good with this, using the various profiles, each one for a specific task, has sped up browsing quite a bit, and made it easier to recover a task with a bunch of tabs. Frankly, this should have been how workspaces worked (the profiles I've made all basically have only one workspace in them)
Now, here's the biggest challenge:
While I've been happy to go through my main work tabs (email, banking, YouTube, etc) one at a time to make sure they are set up just right, I now hit the biggest consumer of tab real estate: research.
These are tabs I definitely want to maintain, but they are so numerous that I don't really want to move them over one at a time. I need a workflow to make this transition. What I did before was make a tab in a new profile window, find the tab I want, copy and paste it. Laborious.
I've also tried:
- Dragging tabs or tab stacks from one profile to another
- Saving a Session and trying to import it into a different profile
- Trying to save a current window (with all tabs) as bookmarks.
None of these work even a little. Especially surprised that I can't save a session as a distinct file; it appears sessions are associated with one profile only.
Looking for any strategies I could use to automate this process. Thinking about copying the saved session from one profile to another in the OS, but concerned that might move whatever the problem is to the new profile.
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Ok, after some experimenting, I found a way!
Here's the procedure I did to get the tabs from one window in a profile to a different profile:
- Select all of the tabs (even if they are in stacks), then context click.
- Save that as a session
- Open the Sessions panel
- Context click on the Session and select Edit/View
- Select the tabs ONLY (don't select the Stack dividers) in the Edit/View
- Now, you can drag all of the tabs to your window in a different profile
Important: you cannot drag Stack dividers in this way, and you can't drag the tabs just on their own. For some reason, those won't work, but this does. Isn't instantaneous, but is certainly quicker than doing one at a time!
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I've now completed the transition to the new method of using multiple Profiles for various tasks. So far, so good!
A few things to note:
- Despite my now having only 2 window open in the default profile, that didn't improve the problem from the original post for that profile. All the new profiles are fine.
- Because each new profile is treated as a separate browser/person, autofill and password saves do not transfer across. This is mostly solved by using Bitwarden, but some of that info is only in the default profile, so I'm not going to delete it just in case.
- On restart, only the default profile loads. This means I have to load any other profiles manually, although they do seem to remember where I put them last.
- I have no info on whether sessions and workspaces will be any more reliable than before, nor do I know yet if in future these profiles will bog down as well. I predict that if they do have problems, it will be challenging to replicate this process, but not impossible (especially with the method described above).
- Each time you create a new profile, you need to redo any color or theme preferences, which for me is fairly extensive since I like the compact two level tab stack style.
That all said, while it took about 6 hours total to do it (you will be faster with some of the hints above), it seems worth it so far!
Definitely very pleased to be back in good performance, hoping there won't be any snafus in the near future so I can enjoy this for a while!
Thanks @luetage for the Profile suggestion and for explaining it! Nobody suggested this before, and it may be a game changer for me!
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@simpleknight I didn’t suggest any of this. I asked you to try to replicate the bugs you encountered on a new profile. Anyway, if you’ve found something you’re happy with, all the more power to you. Profiles are a standard feature of Chromium browsers and each contains all of its stored user data in a separate folder.
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Well, while you may not have intended it as my solution, you did bring the idea up and explain how they worked. I didn't know you could have more than one "user" in a Chromium browser of any flavor, certainly not that more than one could be open at the same time. I assumed it was more like Netflix, where in order to use one profile, you had to close out another.
From there, I was able to mold it to my needs, and so far (one day, to be fair), I haven't continued to experience the same issues.
My current theory, based on your thought that "every profile degrades eventually, you can't avoid it" is that in fact, that was at least part of the issue, and the other part was the recent update making it worse.
I now suspect that each of these profiles will have less taxing them, since they will each have fewer tabs and will also get used less, only when needed. And they nicely solve the problems I've had otherwise with workspaces.
My best guess is that the profile I use for research, which has the most tabs in it, will be the first to degrade. But now I believe I can more quickly create a new profile, so in future it may not be as bad.
In any case, intended or not, it led me to what I suspect will keep me enjoying Vivaldi at least for a bit, and may help others who open a bucketload of tabs.
