Election depression is real

[TravellinBob]

Not surprised by this, actually. Trump is the original Teflon Man, trained and raised in the property business in New York that has always had questionable morals.

He was a terrible President in his first term and will potentially be far worse this time around, when faced with very real conflicts in the Middle East and Eastern Europe that directly involve the US. He remains in thrall to luntaics like Putin and Orban and Netanyahu, and remains ignorant of basic economics (hence multiple bankruptcies and ridiculous policy plans). Throw in Project 2025, a tame House, Senate and Supreme Court and he can do pretty much what the hell he likes.

Playing the blame game is a waste of time. Perhaps Biden shold have stepped back sooner: by the time he did so, Harris had way too much ground to make up. Perhaps her campaign made crucial mistakes along the way, and focused too much on the insanity of Trump and the MAGA movement. The party machine certainly misread the electorate, in a way the Republicans did not.

At the end of the day, Trump spun his lies well enough to convince a majority of Americans - who really should have known better after the last election! - that he should be President again. We all have to live with the consequences.

And it's not the US alone that has a broken political system - so do most countries in Europe, including my homeland the UK. It's a fundamental problem that people no longer trust politicians, and given the lies and corruption, stupidity and selfishness that has been on display globally for a generation that should come as no surprise. It will take another generation to fix, and by then most of us will be long dead and gone.

Sad but true. But right now I'm alive and well, and fully intend to enjoy whatever years I have left (many, I'm sure) no matter what is going on outside my control.

[ingolftopf]

American society also has every reason to distrust its "top politicians".

For a very long time, they were brazenly and consistently lied to and deceived by almost all presidents.

It is not for nothing that the USA is the motherland of conspiracy theories.

J.F. Kennedy, who in his blasé, politically conscious manner did not even want to negotiate personally with Chrustschow in the Cuba crisis, 'Bobby' then had to do this.
Although he had been threatening Moscow with nuclear missiles from Turkey for some time.
The 'near-trigger' of the Third World War, which was only prevented by the great courage of the first officer of the accompanying Russian nuclear submarine.
As American journalists later found out.

Richard Nixon with his "Watergate".

The really quite good Obama with "Guantánamo".
Promised to abolish it during the election campaign, but never did.
Although he would have been able to do so with a presidential directive
, etc., etc.

This also gave rise to a figure like Trump, the saviour.
He stands on the shoulders of such things.

[ingolftopf]

Earnest Ab. did not lie to his fellow citizens.
That is why he is still regarded today as the best president of the UAS, as "The Earnest Ab.".

What a drama, the American Civil War broke out during his term of office and he tried to prevent it.
Far more Americans died in this war than in all subsequent wars in which the USA has been involved to this day.
And there are not just a few.

And then, even in peacetime, after winning his second term in the theatre, he was shot in the back by a renowned actor from there.

His monumental memorial, which does not exist in this form for any other US president, is well deserved.

[Pesala]

Something to Cure Depression

Blank Space (Donald's Version) - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody.

[ingolftopf]

Google, Apple, Jeff Besos (Amason) and some of the major American newspapers are now probably already pandering to Trump & Co.
https://www.
tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/tech-konzerne-wahl-usa-100.html

Elon Musk has already done this before.
He will know why.

[ingolftopf]

Giving away millions has probably paid off for him.
"Trump victory makes Musk 21 billion dollars richer"
https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/technologie/musk-tesla-trump-100.html

With his handling of Twitter, he has probably at least qualified as an advisor to Trump.

What's next??

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as US Secretary of Health and Human Services?
www.tagesschau.de/ausland/uswahl/trump-team-namen-100.html

You just can't believe it.

[Pesala]

@ingolftopf said in Election depression is real:

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as US Secretary of Health and Human Services?

Why on earth not?

He is not an Antivaxer, just anti vaccine mandates, and in favour of proper double-blind trials. Follow the science, not the FUD.

[mathieulefrancois]

@Pesala RFK actually sounds like an amazing choice to me.

What he wants to do for food safety sounds pretty awesome, as well as the vaccine mandate stuff.

[Pesala]

@mathieulefrancois Yes, it seems like he might be OK, though I don’t follow USA politics very closely. Elon Musk is a technology genius, who I follow out of interest in green technology, and a long-term Democrat who switched sides because of what the extreme left were doing to destroy the US. He bought Twitter to protect free speech, and now the ugly truth about the corruption of the Biden Administration has been revealed.

[Ayespy]

@Pesala said in Election depression is real:

who switched sides because of what the extreme left were doing to destroy the US.

So you are steeped in disinformation as well. Its reach is nothing short of astounding.

[Pesala]

@Ayespy said in Election depression is real:

So you are steeped in disinformation as well. Its reach is nothing short of astounding.

What makes you think that? Maybe you are the one who is steeped in misinformation?

[greybeard]

@DoctorG
Well said !!

[Ayespy]

@Pesala As I've made my living for 44 years determining what's true, after 3900 field and classroom hours training in how to research and how to observe, that's unlikely. One of the primary skills in this field is detecting and discarding misinformation/disinformation, even when it comes from multiple "sources." Some things presented as true cannot be true when all relevant information is known. And that is my skillset, and my profession. So, no. I am not steeped in misinformation/disinformation. In 44 years, I have literally never failed to ascertain which out of multiple claims was true or false. Not once. Were it to happen, it would be a career-wrecker. Certain things can remain unknown and, when such is the case, one has to accurately point it out. But a majority of things can be known, and that's what I'm paid for.

[iqaluit]

This is an interesting thread.
However I strongly disagree that moderators, ambassadors, sopranos of Vivaldi involve in politics in Vivaldi forums and openly express which political side their loyalties lie. I for exemple on the side of people not dying in senseless wars - take whatever it means to you!

This forum is the flagship compononent of Vivaldi as a product. This is the place where users from all walks of life join and seek help or want to hangout. Then what do they see? You come along, he comes along, she comes along and pour bloody politics all over.
First of all: Don't do this !
Second of all: peace and solidarity

[luetage]

@Ayespy That’s what you want to make us believe. On the other hand you are a Cyclops, so I’m not sure whether I can trust you. You envy our ability to take a look at difficult situations three dimensional. You plot to make us all blind.

[mathieulefrancois]

@iqaluit I 100% agree.

I like this forum because it's an escape from politics.

[barbudo2005]

@iqaluit said :

I strongly disagree that moderators, ambassadors, sopranos of Vivaldi involve in politics in Vivaldi forums and openly express which political side their loyalties lie.

At other times when a user starts to give political opinions they are called to order and often the threads are locked.

Let's be consistent. Either you can talk about whatever you want about politics or you simply can't talk at all.

This thread that @mikeyb2001 started (which doesn't surprise me) shows the passion that the character unleashes from both sides.

I read that in a few weeks there are going to be elections in Germany. If the XXX wins, will those who don't agree be allowed to say they feel Sad, Depressed and Scared or a silly thing like that?

[Ayespy]

@luetage Not really, Reality exists in at least four dimensions. If I perceive it and you don't, it's of little concern to me. I've no cause for envy. As to how I determine where to cast my vote, I study the candidates and their platforms, and vote for the side which promotes the most-human-survival-related agenda. I don't root for parties, personalities, loyalty or cults. I vote for the side least likely to destroy human lives and liberties. But I'm very concerned about the numbers of my countryfolk who believe deeply in complete fiction and worse, are willing to act on that belief.

[ingolftopf]

I also think @Ayespy is trying to blind us all.

It's also stupid to be a Cyclops.

Full of irony again today, @luetage?

I'll try it in a moment in another way.

Try ...

[Catweazle]

@Pesala, Xitter is turning in a core of fascism and disinformation, don't confuse it. Musk is an egomaniac with nothing of "green" and less a genius, he only has enough money to pay for such and for the tech. If Musk had been democratic and so concerned about the environment, he would not have made these happy little jumps like an idiot around Trump, making a fool of himself, around his Führer, who in his first acts is going to overthrow all the achievements against climatechange, returning to fossil fuels, apart from ending the rest of the freedoms, laboral and social advances, the few that the US has achieved. Maybe they are going to be the last free elections in the US.
USA never had an extreme left in goverments.