The Excitement of Vivaldi is fading quickly



  • Vivaldi seemed to have their heads screwed on in the initial phase of the browser development and then they rushed to put out a so-called stable version. It was quite obvious that the timing was off and this could cause potential problems. It's not wise to rush out and try draw in the browser market when the product is far from polished. This arena is dominated by idiots who only think that Chrome, Internet Explorer and Firefox exist. There are people who literally have no idea of any other browsers! I've seen idiots who will claim Chrome is the greatest browser in the World when quite clearly right at this moment the best all-round browser in existence is Opera and that's been the case for most of Opera's existence whether Presto or Chromium based. It sickens me that idiots only follow particular routes as if their droned sheep. I'd say that Vivaldi is within the top three web browsers right now and that's: 1. Opera 2. UC Browser 3. Vivaldi I've watched people like Spatry who aren't as clued up as they believe take a few digs at Vivaldi's browser and all because it was rushed out. The first impressions of a browser are very important especially if you're fighting Google and Microsoft level brands. The first releases of an independent/small name browser must be almost 100% perfect if one is to really be praised and draw attention away from the big brands. It's no good claiming that Vivaldi is just for the power-user as the get out of jail card for the failure of marketing etc. Over the last few months we've seen very little happening with Vivaldi. We've seen longer waiting time for snapshots and yes this will be based on bug checking but nothing of the wow factor added either. People have complained in the past of a lack of speeddial button (as in Opera) to allow an easy speed-dial access. It seems people have to make their own get-arounds in order to try and achieve what they want and most of them don't work. How hard is it to place a speed-dial button on the panel to access the dials? Why isn't there an option in the settings to lock the speed-dial into the home button? These types of things may seem small but to some people its makes a huge difference. No one wants to mess around keep opening another tab just to get their dials. Look how long it took Vivaldi to listen to one user when he begged then yelled for the audio icon to be moved to the left of the tab in order to prevent loss of the icon if numerous tabs were opened. Now here's a current problem I'm feeling and it's connected with Opera! Over the last few weeks Opera has stepped up its game and evolved the browser in a modern way by the built-in ad blocker and VPN services and now the pretty looking RSS/NEWS service as well as the improving of resource use. I've not found a more balanced browser when it comes to resource use and speed. Vivaldi doesn't have a turbo feature, no VPN, video pop-out and no ad-blocking so serious lacks behind Opera. These types of things may come but in order for Vivaldi to make its mark it needs to make sure the basics are in place as well as continually uping the browser game. Opera has been extremely smart in its latest moves and you can bet this was executed due to competition from Vivaldi but in a way Opera played the smarter moves. Look at the buzz that happened over the ad-blocking it caused joy and hatred but both caused a stir and bought attention to Opera as well as many new users. I must admit I'm annoyed that Opera seem to be making out they're the pioneers and inventors of video pop-out. Video pop-out has always origined from China many years ago and achieved far better by a few browsers including Maxthon who's pop-up is far superior to Opera's. Vivaldi now need to seriously be looking at adding similar new features that Opera has as I know I couldn't change over to Vivaldi without them. I've become bored with Vivaldi and hardly install it anymore as I know Opera is perfect for my needs right now and its so good on resources. Only the other day I had two-hundred and fifty tabs open at once and it handled them perfectly and with ease where as I'd have been petrified to do that with any other browser. With Opera I feel reliability like a Rolls Royce. So my advice to Vivaldi would be to continue with new additions and polish up the experience with important things like speed-dial buttons etc. How on earth could Vivaldi ruin the speed-dial by not having a SD button when Opera pioneered the dial and the button? Vivaldi are former Opera and these types of errors shouldn't occur. Polish up the browser before rushing to stable.



  • My Opera excitement faded quickly when the web browser got bought by a Chinese consortium. I don't think their government and how they are known to meddle in the affairs of their corporations align well with China now being in charge of how and where the synchronized data will be stored, or the prospects for that product in general.

    It's unfortunate because I think Opera was finally reaching some level of quality after the Chrome "reboot" when this happened. Of course, maybe I am just paranoid, but I just don't feel right in using it anymore. A web browser is THE way computer users expose themselves to the world and I need to feel OK when I use them.



  • Opera used to be my favourite browser for almost decades - until they started their "modernisation" with the google engine and other "features" that looked pretty suspicious to me. I immediately switched back to the 12.17 version with the Presta engine, but - of course - this was no longer an option, since it is that much outdated that more and more sites are causing problems with it.
    When setting up a new PC I recently tried my luck with the current opera version again, and hell, that thing got even worse. I hate stupid software that tries to decide EVERYTHING for the stupid users.
    That's how I came across Vivaldi, and so far I think they are doing a good job. I don't need built in ad-blockers, as long as it is very simple to install ghostery & Co.
    Vivaldi deserves to get a chance on the big market for the stupids. Who cares if only a few people (compared to the masses) use it, as long as the makers of Vivaldi can survive to do the job? It is a "niche product" for very special people, so what?


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    Opera and Vivaldi are not trying to reach the same markets.

    There is no reason for Vivaldi to try to copy Opera. I consider myself a fairly typical Vivaldi user. I once was a fairly typical Opera user. Opera removed most/all of the features and options that once made it my default. Literally none of them have ever come back. Not ONE thing that originally attracted me to Opera remains in the browser. Of course they are adding features, and none of these appeal to me or affect me in the least. They appeal to people whose wants and needs are completely dissimilar to mine.

    On the other hand, Vivaldi's first public version started right out with some of the features I had been missing, and has added more and more of them as time has gone on. Vivaldi is conformable to my workflow. Opera is not. To my mind, my own example illustrates clearly how Vivaldi and Opera seek different markets. This being the case, possibly the worst thing Vivaldi could do is start to copy Opera. That would pretty much kill the project in its crib.



  • @northgrove:

    My Opera excitement faded quickly when the web browser got bought by a Chinese consortium. I don't think their government and how they are known to meddle in the affairs of their corporations align well with China now being in charge of how and where the synchronized data will be stored, or the prospects for that product in general.

    It's unfortunate because I think Opera was finally reaching some level of quality after the Chrome "reboot" when this happened. Of course, maybe I am just paranoid, but I just don't feel right in using it anymore. A web browser is THE way computer users expose themselves to the world and I need to feel OK when I use them.

    Why are you so worried about China when you're using Vivaldi which has your searches tied to a Nazi rogue state in the Middle East that illegally has nuclear weapons and threatens the entire world with the 'Samson Option'?. China and Russia are not the rogues of the world, it's the western world which is the rogue. We heard all these browser scare stories with the Yandex browser but for non-Russians any tracking like capabilities were disabled. I'd rather use Opera, UC Browser or Maxthon than Google Chrome or Microsoft Edge both offshoots of the National Security Agency.



  • @Ayespy:

    Opera and Vivaldi are not trying to reach the same markets.

    There is no reason for Vivaldi to try to copy Opera. I consider myself a fairly typical Vivaldi user. I once was a fairly typical Opera user. Opera removed most/all of the features and options that once made it my default. Literally none of them have ever come back. Not ONE thing that originally attracted me to Opera remains in the browser. Of course they are adding features, and none of these appeal to me or affect me in the least. They appeal to people whose wants and needs are completely dissimilar to mine.

    On the other hand, Vivaldi's first public version started right out with some of the features I had been missing, and has added more and more of them as time has gone on. Vivaldi is conformable to my workflow. Opera is not. To my mind, my own example illustrates clearly how Vivaldi and Opera seek different markets. This being the case, possibly the worst thing Vivaldi could do is start to copy Opera. That would pretty much kill the project in its crib.

    Opera isn't looking for a niche small market it's now gunning for users across the board. I don't know how anyone can say Vivaldi is good for their workflow unless they're simply not pushing their browser. Everyone I've come across complain about Vivaldi hogging resources and disk access etc. I've personally not found a browser more reliable, faster or as efficient as Opera is and so I cannot move over to a different browser until another can match Opera. I like UCbrowser but it seems to be still a 32bit browser and on top of that the speed-dial is limited like all other browsers using speed-dial except Opera and Vivald.



  • @lader6:

    Opera used to be my favourite browser for almost decades - until they started their "modernisation" with the google engine and other "features" that looked pretty suspicious to me. I immediately switched back to the 12.17 version with the Presta engine, but - of course - this was no longer an option, since it is that much outdated that more and more sites are causing problems with it.
    When setting up a new PC I recently tried my luck with the current opera version again, and hell, that thing got even worse. I hate stupid software that tries to decide EVERYTHING for the stupid users.
    That's how I came across Vivaldi, and so far I think they are doing a good job. I don't need built in ad-blockers, as long as it is very simple to install ghostery & Co.
    Vivaldi deserves to get a chance on the big market for the stupids. Who cares if only a few people (compared to the masses) use it, as long as the makers of Vivaldi can survive to do the job? It is a "niche product" for very special people, so what?

    What are you talking about? Suspicious? There was nothing suspicious about a browser moving engines for economic and compatibility reasons. Do you now what it takes to write a fresh web engine and then even worse to keep it maintained especially as the powers-at-be shun your engine to favour their own minions (google, microsoft). Yes we have the Gecko engine but lets face it, without Google behind Mozilla then Firefox would have died a death.

    You cannot compare Google Store extensions to professional built-in features by the very browsers creator. Added extensions hinder browser performance and so Opera's built-in Ad-blocker is far better than an external one. If I recall correctly I'm sure I read that Ghostery has some kind of tracking of its own built-in. It's very hard to trust any of these extensions even if they come form official stores. I might remind you that at least Opera and Yandex allow for extensions which aren't restricted by Google such as youtube downloading extensions. When you sit down and really think about things with common sense and logic you should if sane then soon realize Opera is the king of the browsers for now at least. Vivaldi has potential, it has some good features already but misses on other things and simple things too. Simple? Well hows about having an option to save the speed-dials etc to a file on a physical hard-drive? Many of us don't care for synchronisation and everything stuck in the cloud! Simple? Hows about Vivaldi creating a nice speed-dial button on the UI or a homebutton speed-dial.


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    @browserking:

    I don't know how anyone can say Vivaldi is good for their workflow unless they're simply not pushing their browser. Everyone I've come across complain about Vivaldi hogging resources and disk access etc. I've personally not found a browser more reliable, faster or as efficient as Opera is and so I cannot move over to a different browser until another can match Opera. I like UCbrowser but it seems to be still a 32bit browser and on top of that the speed-dial is limited like all other browsers using speed-dial except Opera and Vivald.

    As you know nothing of me or my workflow, you have no basis to speculate how I can or can't say Vivaldi is conformable to my workflow. "Pushing" their browser? What does that even mean? Abusing it? Exceeding its design parameters? Trying to get it to do things it doesn't do? You're not one of those numbskulls who claims to be "power" user because you can't figure out how to operate with fewer than 200 tabs are you? "Everyone I've come across" would be an oddly non-representative cross-section of the population, as most people on most systems do not complain of hogging resources. Vivaldi will over time become much leaner and more nimble, but it's not some sort of basket case now.

    That said, concerning some of your other comments, it is completely inappropriate here to sing the praises of one political entity or to bash another, characterizing who is virtuous and who is "rogue," etc.

    If you have come here to talk down Vivaldi and sing the praises of Opera, then you're in the wrong room. People here know what they want, and are not going to be impressed by your authoritative declarations concerning what Vivaldi should aim for. And I think the guy who originally guided the creation of the best browser of its time (old Opera) knows his own mind when it comes to the direction of his new project.

    You have a nice day.



  • @Ayespy:

    @browserking:

    I don't know how anyone can say Vivaldi is good for their workflow unless they're simply not pushing their browser. Everyone I've come across complain about Vivaldi hogging resources and disk access etc. I've personally not found a browser more reliable, faster or as efficient as Opera is and so I cannot move over to a different browser until another can match Opera. I like UCbrowser but it seems to be still a 32bit browser and on top of that the speed-dial is limited like all other browsers using speed-dial except Opera and Vivald.

    As you know nothing of me or my workflow, you have no basis to speculate how I can or can't say Vivaldi is conformable to my workflow. "Pushing" their browser? What does that even mean? Abusing it? Exceeding its design parameters? Trying to get it to do things it doesn't do? You're not one of those numbskulls who claims to be "power" user because you can't figure out how to operate with fewer than 200 tabs are you? "Everyone I've come across" would be an oddly non-representative cross-section of the population, as most people on most systems do not complain of hogging resources. Vivaldi will over time become much leaner and more nimble, but it's not some sort of basket case now.

    That said, concerning some of your other comments, it is completely inappropriate here to sing the praises of one political entity or to bash another, characterizing who is virtuous and who is "rogue," etc.

    If you have come here to talk down Vivaldi and sing the praises of Opera, then you're in the wrong room. People here know what they want, and are not going to be impressed by your authoritative declarations concerning what Vivaldi should aim for. And I think the guy who originally guided the creation of the best browser of its time (old Opera) knows his own mind when it comes to the direction of his new project.

    You have a nice day.

    Always remember that if Jon Stephenson von Tetzchner hadn't done a Dragon's Den/Shark Tank like investors deal then Opera might have still be as it was and better today with no need for a Vivaldi. So let's ask ourselves if it was Tetzchner's fault that Opera has been hindered by the investors he bought into the fold. You had better hope he's really learnt his lesson as he claims because he might do it again and then it's bye bye Vivaldi. If you want to know what a typical investor is like then study Kevin O'Leary and beware! Brand quality and loyalty means nothing to these creatures who love to quickly grab as much loot as they can before destroying their host. What's a favourite trick? Crippling independent companies and then merging them for cents on the dollar with their corporations.


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    I've edited your comment.

    If you engage in any more political speechifying and name-calling in this thread I will remove the offending portions of your comments.

    If you want to engage in polemics, you are free to do so in the Vivaldi.net Debates and Discussions category if you can find anyone to engage you. It has nothing to do with "Vivaldi browser for Windows." No more such comments will be included here.



  • You mean "they're droned sheep.


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