The time has come for Catalina users
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@maximvasiljev I've looked it over — but I'm leery... Still, thanks for the tip!
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@OakdaleFTL I successfully used OCLP for installing macOS 14 Sonoma on my two old MPB13" 2015, which only "supports" macOS 12. If you didn't replace original parts with third-party ones (like me with adata ssd nvme, later I was forced to change to wd sn550 for better compability) — you have nothing to worry about, OCLP just install backported drivers after installing macOS upgrade and everything will work as usual.
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It saddens me when software I rely on abandons me. I expected better of Vivaldi, though now I have to wonder why I did. I wonder if this is even a calculated risk that they don't lose too many users. But where ya gonna go if they all pull this sort of thing.
Catalina is still used by a high percentage of Mac owners even as 2024 comes to a close. Beyond all the rhetoric, giving users incentive to buy more stuff is the elephant in the room. It almost reads like a drug dependency. I was forced to alter the bootup sequence to enable installation of Monterey on a 2009 MBP. A computer that was doing fine until work required an application built only for newer systems. I have no plans to do that with this computer. I still have other options.
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@harmonz said in The time has come for Catalina users:
Catalina is still used by a high percentage of Mac owners even as 2024 comes to a close.
I doubt that is the case...
You do know how long Catalina has gone without security updates?! Apple won't help you... And Vivaldi, being based on Chromium, has little choice but to deprecate Catalina now that its Chromium basis has gone beyond Catalina.
For most users the principle feature of a browser is security, no?
But if that's not you, sobeit! You can continue to use your last version of Vivaldi — at your own risk.(That's what I intend to do! But when I do finally get a newer, more modern machine, I'll return to the newer Vivaldi eagerly!)
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@OakdaleFTL I appreciate what you've said and how you say it. I did not think about the dependency on Chromium. I'm further unable to extrapolate what an older browser and OS actually mean in real terms of my usage. I read elsewhere that you use a 2012 MacMini as do I.
I'm glad to have had this exchange with you. I foresee some reconsideration on what I do and say. Thanks for sharing.
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I wonder: Are there enough Catalina users to keep our posts here useful?
Obviously, two things come to mind:
One, we won't have much to say about new problems... And, two, Vivaldi Team won't be involved in answering our questions and vetting our "solutions"... (They do have more important things to do!)So: Do the rest of you folk think we should keep posting?
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@OakdaleFTL JUst found this discussion and I think it is worthy to continue. I just upgraded my minimac from High Sierra to Catalina e I am using Vivaldi in every machine I have. Where to I find the valid mentioned download that still works in Catalina?
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@ronklein The Previous Versions page has download links for previous versions...
The last that works on Catalina is Vivaldi 6.9.3447.54, which I'm still running. (It's available as a Universal or Intel-only .dmg ...) -
@harmonz said in The time has come for Catalina users:
It saddens me when software I rely on abandons me. I expected better of Vivaldi, though now I have to wonder why I did
Vivaldi did not abandon you. Apple and Chromium did. Apple has a robust planned obsolescence program, and so does Chromium. It is beyond the resources of Vivaldi to countermand these. I remember when my wife bought a used iPad on line not knowing that literally no modern apps could be installed to it. That's purely Apple's doing.
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@Ayespy said in The time has come for Catalina users:
Vivaldi did not abandon you. Apple and Chromium did.
This is unarguably true — but some folk just won't accept reality. Businesses make business decisions; Vivaldi chose (wisely, I think) to use Chromium, DuckDuckGo chose WebKit, Firefox continues to go its own way. But all have had to deprecate (in the sense of no longer updating for) Catalina and previous Mac OSs.
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@OakdaleFTL Thank you. It works fine. As for those curious and eager to have the latest browser, here what I found about Opera: "It is the latest Desktop version"
Opera One(version: 114.0.5282.154) (x86_64)
Restart Opera to update to version 114.0.5282.185
Relaunch Now
Update stream:Stable
System:macOS Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H2026) 10.15.7 x86_64
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@ronklein Chromium 128 still works with Catalina. Vivaldi is on Chromium 130.
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@ronklein You do know that the Opera browser was sold to a Chinese company? I've nothing against the Chinese people — but the CCP is another matter, and no Chinese company is free from CCP control.
While Opera and Vivaldi are both Chromium-based. I long ago decided I preferred Vivaldi's versions, and their "corporate" philosophy!
